EICRs and LANDLORDS

[marconi]

Rather than add to 'Thoughts on recommendation' I thought it better to begin a new one.

I am a landlord in London. I think it should be mandatory for an in-date EICR whenever a new tenant takes up a lease and of course after electrical works. I present to my tenants both the EICR and Gas Safety certificate in an information pack. I also tell my insurance company and letting agent and send them a copy of both. For me it is a question of discharging my duty of care responsibilities. I know several good landlords who follow suit.

I always use the same electrician - not a friend, friend of a friend, etcetera - completely independent of me and I have checked his qualifications. This way he knows my properties and remarkably he seems to be able to remember even the make of CU - or does he look up the last inspection? I send him an email to arrange the EICR which he acknowledges so I have a record of the formal request for an EICR. I pay him up front in cash - (a cheque could be cancelled) - and he gives me his bill with the EICR, VAT inc, and marked 'paid in full' and referring to the EICR form serial number dated. I leave him alone to do the EICR and he either leaves the EICR in the flat or posts it to me. I then read it, discuss with him if necessary and arrange any remedials, etcetera.

 

[Octopus]

can you leave the topic running for a bit.


guys what is a landlord certificate i thought it was the basics ze,zs, visual etc.

ok guys i know some people around here just do ze,zs and make the rest up in the van, what is your experience of this

Its an EICR when referred to by the geniuses employed in the estate agency trade!

 

[Andy78]

Its an EICR when referred to by the geniuses employed in the estate agency trade!

Or a worthless NICEIC landlord's visual inspection report.

 

[shanky887614]

Its an EICR when referred to by the geniuses employed in the estate agency trade!

look up at title

 

[Octopus]

Or a worthless NICEIC landlord's visual inspection report.

Did the NICEIC dream this one up?

Not sure of the point of them really!

 

[davesparks]

look up at title

Think you're getting a bit confused here. The title refers to EICRs and landlords as in the actual landlord, not landlords as in the title of a report

 

[Andy78]

Did the NICEIC dream this one up?

Not sure of the point of them really!

Yes although I don't think they print the duplicate certs anymore. I have seen these foul beasts though. The intention was for them to form a visual check with a bit of paperwork for rented properties between periodic inspection and testing or on change of tenant.

Naturally this got abused and cowboys were soon convincing clients that this was the only form they needed. Quick coat of looking at, no testing, £50 please !

This is why some landlords nowadays think that a EICR should cost peanuts and take 30 mins.

Here's the Elecsa version, I can't find any NICEIC examples
http://www.elecsa.co.uk/Documents/C...icates/Domestic-Visual-Inspection-Report.aspx

 

[shanky887614]

Think you're getting a bit confused here. The title refers to EICRs and landlords as in the actual landlord, not landlords as in the title of a report

i was guessing if im honest i can't see the full title on tapatalk

 

[Paul.M]

Yes although I don't think they print the duplicate certs anymore. I have seen these foul beasts though. The intention was for them to form a visual check with a bit of paperwork for rented properties between periodic inspection and testing or on change of tenant.

Naturally this got abused and cowboys were soon convincing clients that this was the only form they needed. Quick coat of looking at, no testing, £50 please !

This is why some landlords nowadays think that a EICR should cost peanuts and take 30 mins.

Here's the Elecsa version, I can't find any NICEIC examples
http://www.elecsa.co.uk/Documents/C...icates/Domestic-Visual-Inspection-Report.aspx

Nail.... head.... hit.....

An EICR is one thing. A visual report is another story.

 

[davesparks]

A local Lettings agent I do bits for has asked me to do PAT and visual inspections for them occasionally. Only when their usual guy isn't available and can I do it for the same price?
I do them, because to be honest their usual price is pretty damned good! But I don't think they like me doing them, because I keep failing things!
What I do for a visual inspection is follow the inspection schedule of an EICR and produce the EICR paperwork with circuit details filled in but no testing.

I've been on callouts to places that the usual guy has supposedly tested. Sometimes to look at faulty appliances with his nice green stickers on them as soon as the tenant has moved in!

 

[Andy78]

A local Lettings agent I do bits for has asked me to do PAT and visual inspections for them occasionally. Only when their usual guy isn't available and can I do it for the same price?
I do them, because to be honest their usual price is pretty damned good! But I don't think they like me doing them, because I keep failing things!
What I do for a visual inspection is follow the inspection schedule of an EICR and produce the EICR paperwork with circuit details filled in but no testing.

I've been on callouts to places that the usual guy has supposedly tested. Sometimes to look at faulty appliances with his nice green stickers on them as soon as the tenant has moved in!

That's fair enough and a lot more thorough than the usual visual.

I did offer "interim" tests myself but only after I had either carried out an EICR or had a fairly recent one to look at. I based it on a visual inspection with Zs and RCD tests. It became that close to an EICR I stopped seeing the point.

 

[Midwest]

This is why you script comes out with missing spaces etc, its coded with a similar software but not identical so when you copy and paste little bits are lost in translation leading to small errors appearing.

As for your other issues if you can express what hardware (laptop, phone etc), what OS and what browser you are using it may be worth admin looking into, as far as I'm aware you are the only one to report this issue about words not appearing and having to type again, your initial copy and paste may alter the font, colour etc settings possibly making the words white if you paste from a page where the background is dark this affect may have locked in as default, Ill have a word with admin' as its not my field and I could have just been talking gobbledygook.

This happens all the time for me Darkwood. I can't cut and paste into the reply window, so it's not that. It seems that not all the key strokes are displayed, hence words get joined together. Doesn't happen when I use my laptop, which uses google chrome. Interestingly, as I've typed these couple of sentences the fault hasn't displaye itse .........spke to soon! I use othe imia forums anddon't experience the fault. I use IE 11, Win 7.

 

[Fox]

This happens all the time for me Darkwood. I can't cut and paste into the reply window, so it's not that. It seems that not all the key strokes are displayed, hence words get joined together. Doesn't happen when I use my laptop, which uses google chrome. Interestingly, as I've typed these couple of sentences the fault hasn't displaye itse .........spke to soon! I use othe imia forums anddon't experience the fault. I use IE 11, Win 7.

I was using the same setup, but I've started using Chrome and I don't have any more issues

 

[Darkwood]

Im on Chrome as I had issues a long time ago with Internet Explorer.. I take it nothing has changed.

 

[Octopus]

If it helps I binned IE due to issues using this forum. Been using Firefox for over 1 year with no issues!

 

[Midwest]

Im on Chrome as I had issues a long time ago with Internet Explorer.. I take it nothing has changed.

Yep it's still the same, I should try something else, but got all my favourites etc set up on my current browser and I can't be a***d to copy them across, so I'll have to put up with it. As I said though, it doesn't happen on a couple of other forums I use with the same format?