Labour Manifesto

[ferg]

All the mainstream politicians are a bunch of lying barstewards, in itself not particularly worrying.

What is worrying however is what usually happens when the public lose all faith in mainstream politicians.

 

[telectrix]

jc was in stoke ths week while i was at my son's for a few days. he was trying to tell pottery workers that their jobs would go if brexit happened. one guy shouted out that a sagger makers bottom knocker can find work knocking off politicians.

 

[Pete999]

All the mainstream politicians are a bunch of lying barstewards, in itself not particularly worrying.

What is worrying however is what usually happens when the public lose all faith in mainstream politicians.

Bring on the revolution. nothing but a bunch of self financing parasites. vote for em???????. get JC in number 10 and he would turn the rest of Downing Street into a Commune for his unwashed Mates. and DA of course

 

[pirate]

andyb, I'm obliged to you for that clarification over the number of council houses to be built. I suspect most readers recognised the hyperbole, and in effect it matters little. The suggested building programme is far too ambitious for the available workforce and budget.
Traditionally, council housing was built to a good standard, partly because they built better houses anyway, and partly because it was important to minimise the cost of ongoing maintenance, thus saving the taxpayers' purse. Ex-council houses in my area were much sought after due to the much larger room sizes, the better build quality, gardens, and proximity to local services.
Following the crash in 2008 some "mainstream" house builders tried to offload excess stock onto local authorities, but they didn't want these flashy, crappy boxes, as they were in the main of poor build quality, and just scraping through BCs standards. Ongoing maintenance was a big issue here, so few LAs took the bait, preferring to get smaller builders to undertake small developments for them, of better quality and with a smaller profit margin. This worked quite well, as the small firms needed the work and could keep going on tighter margins, not having the heavy overheads of the large companies, and without shareholder pressure.
All I was really saying was that Labour's manifesto is completely unrealistic as to the possibility of building so many houses, funding those builds, finding the land, finding the labour to construct and fit them out to a decent standard. If they release greenbelt land and let any Tom Dick or Harry bash them up, we will end up with huge estates of substandard houses that will come back to haunt us in years to come.
Mainstream builders will not be interested as there is no real profit in it for them-they like a profit from every unit right away. The government will get a return, of course, but it will be spread over a very long period.

 

[telectrix]

think I will have to stand. here is mymanifesto.....

1. force brexit through , deal or no deal.
2 scrap HS2. nobody wants a rail line through their back garden up here.
3. legalise all drugs on prescription (no free ones. £30 ish a pop). this will rduce drug related crime and make the NHS profitable.
4. Cut tax on beer and smokes.
5. Reduce VAT to 10%
6. impose a levy of £1 on every comment made on facebook to offset the vat reduction
7. Ban timber frame houses, dry lining, and "throw it up as cheap as possible".
8. make Liverpool the country's capital and re-purpose westminster , downing st, and half of london to homeless hostels.
9. would also propose the summary execution of plumbers, but i think that might be going too far.

 

[Baddegg]

People keep asking where is the labour/workforce coming from to build labours 1 million houses......if labour get in there will be an abundance of cheap labour...

 

[Pete999]

think I will have to stand. here is mymanifesto.....

1. force brexit through , deal or no deal.
2 scrap HS2. nobody wants a rail line through their back garden up here.
3. legalise all drugs on prescription (no free ones. £30 ish a pop). this will rduce drug related crime and make the NHS profitable.
4. Cut tax on beer and smokes.
5. Reduce VAT to 10%
6. impose a levy of £1 on every comment made on facebook to offset the vat reduction
7. Ban timber frame houses, dry lining, and "throw it up as cheap as possible".
8. make Liverpool the country's capital and re-purpose westminster , downing st, and half of london to homeless hostels.
9. would also propose the summary execution of plumbers, but i think that might be going too far.

I for one would like to know Mr Corbin and D would finance the NHS after they Nationalise it, where would the money come from to finance e this ridiculous idea? cutting credits for those in genuine need? we as a Country need to help our population, stop pouring £Millions into Foreign aid, help by all means but not to the detriment of our own Population, answers on a postcard to me, can't wait for the Labour candidates to grace my doorstep over the next few days,
PS I'm not anti aid but look after number one first, seems the norm these days. Freedom of speech rule here?????????

 

[snowhead]

If they release greenbelt land and let any Tom Dick or Harry bash them up, we will end up with huge estates of substandard houses that will come back to haunt us in years to come.

They'll have no trouble finding the land, they'll just seize it from the Developers.
Ooh, another own goal.

They won't get them built anyway GRETA will stop them because of the millions of miles lorries and transit vans will be doing all around the country, killing of her planet again.

 

[telectrix]

can just imagine under labour (with the support of the lib cretins) all lorries will need to be electric, not diesel, to transport all the building materials to site. no timber to be used, as that entails cutting down trees. bricks will also be banned as the need to be fired in kilns which use fossil fuels. new houses will be constructed entirely of kingspan to comly with energy efficiency.

 

[Midwest]

can just imagine under labour (with the support of the lib cretins) all lorries will need to be electric, not diesel, to transport all the building materials to site. no timber to be used, as that entails cutting down trees. bricks will also be banned as the need to be fired in kilns which use fossil fuels. new houses will be constructed entirely of kingspan to comly with energy efficiency.

That actually sounds a good idea. Make it no.10 on your manifesto.

 

[telectrix]

That actually sounds a good idea. Make it no.10 on your manifesto.

was thinking of making no'10 the banning of VW vans, give the owners a £1 trade-in against a 10 year old Hiace. they know it makes sense.

 

[buzzlightyear]

1. force brexit through , deal or no deal.
2 scrap HS2. nobody wants a rail line through their back garden up here.
3. legalise all drugs on prescription (no free ones. £30 ish a pop). this will rduce drug related crime and make the NHS profitable.
4. Cut tax on beer and smokes.
5. Reduce VAT to 10%
6. impose a levy of £1 on every comment made on facebook to offset the vat reduction
7. Ban timber frame houses, dry lining, and "throw it up as cheap as possible".
8. make Liverpool the country's capital and re-purpose westminster , downing st, and half of london to homeless hostels.
9. would also propose the summary execution of plumbers, but i think that might be going too far.

vote for Tele on 12 December .lol.

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1. force brexit through , deal or no deal.
2 scrap HS2. nobody wants a rail line through their back garden up here.
3. legalise all drugs on prescription (no free ones. £30 ish a pop). this will rduce drug related crime and make the NHS profitable.
4. Cut tax on beer and smokes.
5. Reduce VAT to 10%
6. impose a levy of £1 on every comment made on facebook to offset the vat reduction
7. Ban timber frame houses, dry lining, and "throw it up as cheap as possible".
8. make Liverpool the country's capital and re-purpose westminster , downing st, and half of london to homeless hostels.
9. would also propose the summary execution of plumbers, but i think that might be going too far.

vote for Tele on 12 December .lol.

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1. force brexit through , deal or no deal.
2 scrap HS2. nobody wants a rail line through their back garden up here.
3. legalise all drugs on prescription (no free ones. £30 ish a pop). this will rduce drug related crime and make the NHS profitable.
4. Cut tax on beer and smokes.
5. Reduce VAT to 10%
6. impose a levy of £1 on every comment made on facebook to offset the vat reduction
7. Ban timber frame houses, dry lining, and "throw it up as cheap as possible".
8. make Liverpool the country's capital and re-purpose westminster , downing st, and half of london to homeless hostels.
9. would also propose the summary execution of plumbers, but i think that might be going too far.

vote for Tele on 12 December .lol.

 

[GBDamo]

.....If they charged council housing at market rent, then upped the housing benefit to compensate, you'd solve the problem...

Council housing should be low rent on a need basis, for life if desired.

Matching council rents to market rents will have an inflationary effect on market rents as most people would, if they could, pay more not to be in council accommodation, sad but true.

The problem is social housing has become an investment class worth over £20Billion so rational polices that deliver a workable solutions are resisted by lobbyists on behalf of the lettings and construction industry.

That £20Billion has doubled over the last 20 years. It's time we stopped looking ar these payments as a gift to the Tennant and rathera gift to the Landlord.

It is only legislaton that stops local authorities building, maintaining and selling their own social housing.

The problem is nobody has figured out how to stop public works departments descending to the largesse of the 70s.

 

[Baddegg]

Council houses should be for the most needy,rents should be set to a percentage of income.....that would stop the likes of Bob crow (now deceased) and many others I’ll wager living in a council house whilst earning £120000 a year, that ain’t right

 

[andyb]

Council houses should be for the most needy,rents should be set to a percentage of income.....that would stop the likes of Bob crow (now deceased) and many others I’ll wager living in a council house whilst earning £120000 a year, that ain’t right

I grew up on a council estate. Back then, the 60s and 70s, the people on the estate represented a cross section of society. My neighbour worked in a factory, his neighbour had a paper shop, I remember there was a GP, my dad was a milkman and my Mum managed to get a job at the Bank of England when we were in our teens.

I think it’s for this reason that the estate was clean and the houses were kept well and the gardens cared for.

The problem nowadays is that in a lot of areas, social housing is so rare that only the very needy get it. This means that you don’t get a cross section of society living together, no professional or skilled people, only the very poorest or neediest. They’re not pleasant places to live, so the more reasonable people move out.

So, I firmly believe that the rents should be reasonable, not related to wages, that’s what housing benefit is for. And you should be able to keep them for life, regardless of whether or not your circumstances change.

Oh, and Bob Crow never earned £120 000.

 

[Pete999]

I grew up on a council estate. Back then, the 60s and 70s, the people on the estate represented a cross section of society. My neighbour worked in a factory, his neighbour had a paper shop, I remember there was a GP, my dad was a milkman and my Mum managed to get a job at the Bank of England when we were in our teens.

I think it’s for this reason that the estate was clean and the houses were kept well and the gardens cared for.

The problem nowadays is that in a lot of areas, social housing is so rare that only the very needy get it. This means that you don’t get a cross section of society living together, no professional or skilled people, only the very poorest or neediest. They’re not pleasant places to live, so the more reasonable people move out.

So, I firmly believe that the rents should be reasonable, not related to wages, that’s what housing benefit is for. And you should be able to keep them for life, regardless of whether or not your circumstances change.

Oh, and Bob Crow never earned £120 000.

Who is Bob Crow?

 

[Baddegg]

My bad....bobs “basic” salary was just under £90000....more than enough to buy his own place or rent privately and free up his house for people that aren’t as fortunate or pay a fair proportion of his earnings.....how can anyone on that amount of basic salary qualify for subsidised/low cost housing? There are children out there who have nowhere to live!
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Who is Bob Crow?

RMT union big wig Pete

 

[andyb]

Who is Bob Crow?

A trade unionist Pete, now dead.

 

[Pete999]

A trade unionist Pete, now dead.

Thank you, should have known that being a TU rep in my past Dohhhh memory is going.,

 

[Andy78]

Just in case anyone is actually looking for the content of the labour manifesto.. you need to be aware of this.

Tories set up fake Labour manifesto website as party's disinformation spree continues

Conservatives pay Google to promote labourmanifesto.co.uk website in search results

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Baddegg]

Just in case anyone is actually looking for the content of the labour manifesto.. you need to be aware of this.

Tories set up fake Labour manifesto website as party's disinformation spree continues

Conservatives pay Google to promote labourmanifesto.co.uk website in search results

www.independent.co.uk

What chance have we got as a country....

 

[Midwest]

Oh, and Bob Crow never earned £120 000.

Yeah I’ve read it was more like £145,000, as a complete package. In his words, he said he was worth it.

Voting LD Andy, hoping for a Remain? I’ve moved on, firmly Brexit now.

 

[Andy78]

What chance have we got as a country....

Whilst the country sits back and lets themselves be manipulated by these means, none whatsoever.
Politics has always been corrupt and influenced by others outside of politics, but now it is shamelessly in your face. "We are lying to you, people know, and we don't care because we will get away with it" seems to be the new tactic.

As long as enough people can be manipulated to hold power it does not seem to matter to those in power that their methods are known.

 

[plugsandsparks]

Agree, we need to bring back the Monarchy to rule properly. I think a British King could solve the Scottish issues, Brexit, corruption of MLCs and give jobs to the un-employed.
Maybe its the only way out.
How do we go back to Monarch rule ???

 

[telectrix]

not whilst Charles is still the heir to the throne, talking to plants. .

 

[andyb]

Yeah I’ve read it was more like £145,000, as a complete package. In his words, he said he was worth it.

Voting LD Andy, hoping for a Remain? I’ve moved on, firmly Brexit now.

I'm happy to leave Midwest, but not on the Tories no deal package.

I would never vote Lib Dem again, used to vote for them tactically as I'm in a v safe Tory seat. But after 2010 that’s me finished with them.
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not whilst Charles is still the heir to the throne, talking to plants. .

I remember when Charles married Diana Tel, there was a big call for the queen to abdicate so that Charles could become king. Give it 20 or 30 years and it will be the same with William and his kid.

 

[Midwest]

I'm happy to leave Midwest, but not on the Tories no deal pack

Think it’s time to just leave. Come what may.

 

[rapparee]

I see Labour are planning on giving £54bn to a group of WASPY women who lost out on their pensions age being raised from 60 to 65.

Would this lead to men being able to challenge this decision and claim discrimination based on gender.

Gender doesn't even exist anymore, what if the man identifies as a woman?

 

[Baddegg]

I see Labour are planning on giving £54bn to a group of WASPY women who lost out on their pensions age being raised from 60 to 65.

Would this lead to men being able to challenge this decision and claim discrimination based on gender.

Gender doesn't even exist anymore, what if the man identifies as a woman?

Makes a mockery of equality and equal rights doesn’t it...

 

[rapparee]

Makes a mockery of equality and equal rights doesn’t it...

That's what I was driving at.

We're living in the end times. The fall of Rome must have felt like this ?

 

[buzzlightyear]

View: https://youtu.be/Ex2r86G0sdc?t=4
this will be Jeramiah bullfrog when he goes to the IMF when the moines run out after bankrupt this country .

 

[Timbo]

And let us not forget the message the last Labour chancellor left for the incoming Conservative one.
Something like "Welcome to your job, sorry there's no money left!"

 

[plugsandsparks]

Stumbled across this Gem from one of my favourite MP's Bolsover's Dennis Skinner.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xIpjA6dol8


Apparently someone from new Labour tried to tell him off regarding his views on EU

 

[Zerax]

Oh, and Bob Crow never earned £120 000.

I must apologise... I got the figure wrong ! I've just checked it and according to an interview in The Guardian from 7/2/2014 he was on a salary package of £145,000
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I grew up on a council estate. Back then, the 60s and 70s, the people on the estate represented a cross section of society. My neighbour worked in a factory, his neighbour had a paper shop, I remember there was a GP, my dad was a milkman and my Mum managed to get a job at the Bank of England when we were in our teens.

I think it’s for this reason that the estate was clean and the houses were kept well and the gardens cared for.

No... you're wrong. The reason is that back in those days, if you were given a council house you considered yourself very lucky !! That's why you looked after it. These days, everyone is 'entitled' to it ! A rather different mindset.

I know this because my grandmother lived in a lovely little row of council houses for over 45 years. We knew all the neighbours... there were no GPs, no show owners, no people with money... nearly all of them were factory and farm workers... And if the gardens outside were a reflection of the way they looked after the inside, they were very well cared for.

My grandmother is long since departed... but a recent visit to reminisce about my youth was somewhat shocking ! Most gardens are now strewn with rubbish and scrapped cars ! The word 'slums' would probably not be too strong a word.

The 'entitlement culture' yet again !

 

[andyb]

I must apologise... I got the figure wrong ! I've just checked it and according to an interview in The Guardian from 7/2/2014 he was on a salary package of £145,000
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As you say 'salary package' this includes employers NI and pension. You said he was 'paid' £ 150 000.
You've changed it from paid to package.
Who adds enployers NI and pension when they say what they earn?

No... you're wrong. The reason is that back in those days, if you were given a council house you considered yourself very lucky !! That's why you looked after it. These days, everyone is 'entitled' to it ! A rather different mindset.

The 'entitlement culture' yet again !

That's totaly wrong, there were far more council and social houses available in the 60s and 70s.
Now less than half the amount from the early 80s. And it's very hard to get one.

I'm pretty sure there's not an entitlement culture.

 

[Paul L]

What the heck have the Tories done for us in the last nine years?, austerity that's what. Labour are far from perfect i agree but the I'm all right jack and stuff the rest of you mentality that seems to be taking over this country is very unsavoury. You say about Labours spending plans and ideas but the Tories are promising all sorts. Who would believe serial liar Boris?, not me.

 

[Midwest]

Allegedly the austerity measures had to implemented by the coalition government, because the Labour government had overspent. You can’t spend what you ain’t got.

 

[Paul L]

Allegedly yes, but for 9 years?, and then the Tories can suddenly find billions of pounds because there is a General Election coming. Was it £350 million a week could go to the NHS by coming out of Europe painted over the battle bus? Another one of Boris and his cronies porkies. I'm not saying Labour are much better these days but lets not pretend the Tories are going to lead us to some kind of non existent Utopia.
I do think the wider general problem is total lack of trust in all of our politicians which is why a lot of people look for alternatives.

 

[Zerax]

I'm pretty sure there's not an entitlement culture.

I'm pretty sure there is....

There's even a website called 'entitledto.xxxx'... for checking what benefits you're 'entitled' to... it's not about whether you need help anymore !! and a quick google search throws up all sorts of links to people asking if they're 'entitled' to this or 'entitled' to that...

Another example is if someone feels unwell... years ago, after applying common sense and asking your Mum... you'd see your GP or go to A&E... these days we are all 'entitled' to an ambulance, whether we need one or not !

The list goes on and on... the problem is that after you've given people these things.... it's almost impossible to take them away...

 

[telectrix]

one of my favorite rants is that people can got to their GP to get a free prescription for things like paracetamol, costing the NHS around £70 per prescription, whereras they can buy over counter for a quid or so. this needs to be stopped. a saving to the NHS figure i seen quoted was around £84million, countrywide. and A&E swamed by patints that should never be there, e.g. last week was a lady of eastern origin with a slight cut on her leg, less than i get every day from sharp cable ends, just needed a plaster. rant over.