What does the architect and/or fire officer say, I would agree with others and fit one
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lol Trev....If straw, hey or dried foods are being stored, then this adds to the dust level, Have designed for Wildlife Charities, and there are a lot of issues, like no sounders in animal areas due to their hearing range, will be the same with dogsIt's kennels mate, they're storing dogs
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May not be classed as domestic, plus it could be a harsh enviroment hence JD6400 is thinking on the same lines with Beam or air sampling. Normal smoke are not going to work here, the will be going off every five minutes
Thanks for replies. Basically it's a rectangular shaped building, half of it is to be used to store tools and an old tractor, the other half is split into 3 kennels for the owners dogs. It has a pitched roof. Inside there are no plasterboard ceilings, it's opened up as he is storing wood etc on top of the joists. The architect doesn't have any smoke detectors as a requirement but as has been suggested it's probably better to have one in.
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Right now with have some info...Suggest you evaluate the amount of dust, and possible water mist when cleaning down, as most animal pens use steam cleaners. A commercial alarm panel would be best here, with siren/strobe on outside of building, as i believe sounders are really painful to animals ears. If the dust level is fairly low the ionization smokes will be required, optical are no use in this enviroment. If there is alot of dust and water spray, a optical beam detector can be powered and linked off the control panel. Placed 500mm below the highest point of the roof, it can be adjusted to most situations. would suggest Fire Beam Company units, very easy to setup, cheaper and quicker than fitting 3 or 4 detectors down the building....hope this helps
It would help to know the relative flammability of the dogs that are being held there. Some dogs are notoriously flammable and classed as higher risk. I think there is a BS chart somewhere showing each breed against its particular Df classification. High Df figures will need more rigid fire protection and possibly sprinklers. Daz
I know you are taking the pee but you do not know how close to the truth you are ! I have already posted about this a few years ago in a thread titled " worst ever job " or something similar . We had a rewire on a knackers yard with three incinerators that was on contract to burn something like 40 ton of dogs a week ( all from around the Peterborough area ) , that were being brought in by a skip loader and just dumped in the middle of the yard . The largest incinerator ( which we had not long installed for this very contract ) was being worked past capacity so they could keep up , and what can only be described as a small river of liquid dog fat was flowing out of its front door and was being covered with a scattering of road salt to soak it up and put it out as it kept igniting . Worse still was the fact that all of our main cable runs ran past the front of this incinerator and we ended up having to pull most of them across the yard around the dead dogs and through the fat ( in between burns) which meant we kept getting covered from head to toe each day in the dog fat ! Apparently they could tell if the load was made up of strays or from the vets because the ones that were well looked after in life , made far more running fat and also burnt far faster , often without the need of the burners once going ! So you were not that far out , you see ! Edit; It may have only been around 20 tons a week , thinking about it again .
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Well Im trying to help and give you the best advice i can, but is seems to be going nowhere..... Domestic properties come under part 6, and is classed as a living dwelling, a garage linked to the property would be considered the same. Any building seperated can not be classed as a dwelling. its now a building. So will come under part 1.....Lofts in dwelling are not protected under assessments due to being low risk, if any heating or ventalation equipment were to be fitted into the loft, then detection would be requested. New council builds are fitting solar inverters and water heaters in lofts at present, so detection is now becoming more common in loft areas.............Your out building can only be classed as a independant building not a dwelling, garage or commercial premises...so part 1 will need to be in place here, again a risk assessment would need to be done to advise what is needed or at least fit a P1/L1 systems to cover....The main things you need to consider her is live animals, fuels, foods, construction of building wood/brick, the tractor itself...these are all risks of a protential fire. as suggested would fire fire control panel cheep 2 zone, with siren outside premises, and then consider what detection is going to suit this enviroment
Your input is appreciated, doesn't mean I can't give my opinion though. A fire panel etc just ain't going to happen, it was hard enough convincing him to put a detector in!! I've attached a quick plan overview, out of curiosity where would you say I need detectors?
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Would suggest, you walking away and not get involved. Your head will be on the line if you sign this off. if the customer doesnt want to protect his premises...thats his choice, once you sign a certificate it becomes your problem. L1 would required detection in every room...Minimum would be tractor/workshop area.
Think what I'll do is take the drawings into the council offices and ask them what they will require, that way they can let us know what is the minimum required, this way if they say each room then he'll listen them, if it was up to me I'd cover myself and put it in each room but the guy won't want it. Can't walkaway from the job I'm afraid. Also when the ceiling is on, there will still be a gap of about 4 inches between top of each wall seperating the room and the ceiling.
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