Ozler cable 6242yh, anyone heard of ozler?

HappyHippyDad · Nov 1, 2020

I have been offered some twin and earth cable at a good price. I haven't jumped at it as I want to make sure it's genuine first.

The brand is Ozler. It is 6242yh which is the British standard. Has anyone used or heard of Ozler before?

At £14 for a roll of 100m 1mm twin and earth I've just got a few alarm bells!

westward10 · Nov 1, 2020

They are a Turkish company which doesn't necessarily mean anything. Only buy cable from reputable sources where you have some traceability should something go wrong.

HappyHippyDad · Nov 1, 2020

westward10 said:
They are a Turkish company which doesn't necessarily mean anything. Only buy cable from reputable sources where you have some traceability should something go wrong.

Thanks Westward. Did you just do a quick search on the net or have you actually heard of Ozler before? If the latter, have you ever used it?

westward10 · Nov 1, 2020

No I searched it never heard of them. Unless it has some traceability and is BASEC approved steer clear.

HappyHippyDad · Nov 1, 2020

westward10 said:
No I searched it never heard of them. Unless it has some traceability and is BASEC approved steer clear.

I think you're right. The 'Del boy' in me loves hunting out a bargain, but in this case I just can't be sure it's ok tempting as it is! :-(

freddo · Nov 1, 2020

Ozler Kablo, I'd avoid just like all the other manufacturers: Atlas Kablo, Atom Kablo, Seval Kablo.

Dartlec · Nov 1, 2020

Seems like they are a genuine cable manufacturer at least, but if you can't find a website with documentation to back up the claimed certification, then should something happen it might be tough to prove your due diligence in supplying suitable cable, so you are probably right to be cautious.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1mm-Twin-Earth-Cable-6242YH-100m-Drum-/362926618757

This is the stuff you are talking about I assume?

Lucien Nunes · Nov 1, 2020

Agreed. If you can't get proof of the BASEC approval status and external traceable QM, there's no telling what the product actually is. Rogue cables have been found to have undersize condcutors, impure copper of increased resistance, insulation that was partially conductive or too thin... there are too many variables that you can't evaluate in a pub car park.

HappyHippyDad · Nov 1, 2020

Dartlec said:
Seems like they are a genuine cable manufacturer at least, but if you can't find a website with documentation to back up the claimed certification, then should something happen it might be tough to prove your due diligence in supplying suitable cable, so you are probably right to be cautious.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1mm-Twin-Earth-Cable-6242YH-100m-Drum-/362926618757

This is the stuff you are talking about I assume?

That's the stuff Dartlec. Ridiculously cheap, but it's just not worth it. The cheap price draws you in, then your morals and professionalism kick in

I didn't really want to put a link up on this site as someone is bound to buy it, however its not exactly hidden on the net anyway.

FatAlan · Nov 1, 2020

Send some to JW to test ?

Dartlec · Nov 1, 2020

happyhippydad said:
That's the stuff Dartlec. Ridiculously cheap, but it's just not worth it. The cheap price draws you in, then your morals and professionalism kick in
I didn't really want to put a link up on this site as someone is bound to buy it, however its not exactly hidden on the net anyway.

Could always message the seller and ask them for the paperwork, it might even exist! Or send some to John Ward to test out....

At least if anything happens, saying you bought cable from a recognised suppler from a recognised brand shows some sort of due diligence, even if it's Toolstation or Screwfix.

"I bought it on eBay M'lud", leaves a bit more onus on you to prove you checked. Though of course there are some perfectly valid sellers on eBay and Amazon might be even worse...

But selling at that price suggests something must be different. Heavy discounts on discontinued products are understandable, but cable doesn't exactly change much...

mattg4321 · Nov 1, 2020

Must be some leftover 17th edition cable.

pirate · Nov 2, 2020

Copper has a market price. The quality of copper in approved cables also has a price. If the copper in a cheap cable is less pure it will screw up your calculations and installations. If the copper in a cheap cable is as pure as it should be, and correctly sized, the saving must come from the insulation, which is not ideal.
Yes, you can find "offers" on well-known brands, but proper cable has a manufacturing cost, and a profit margin, and these are fairly constant. Cable at half-price will always have a question mark, unless it is a genuine disposal sale from a business closing down.

Marvo · Nov 2, 2020

The problem comes when you spend a week rewiring a customers house and the circuits all fail their R1 R2 tests. I wouldn't risk it.

suffolkspark · Nov 3, 2020

To be worried about saving about £8 on a 100meter drum you can't be charging enough ?

Lister1987 · Nov 3, 2020

Dartlec said:
Could always message the seller and ask them for the paperwork, it might even exist! Or send some to John Ward to test out....

At least if anything happens, saying you bought cable from a recognised suppler from a recognised brand shows some sort of due diligence, even if it's Toolstation or Screwfix.

Was in an E5/JW video that they made mention of just because it's from Screwfix/Toolstation doesn't mean it's 100% kosher; the main reference being thier lever connectors, you know the ones - naff all compliance info on the website listing and I believe sod all on the packaging either.

Dartlec · Nov 3, 2020

Lister1987 said:
Was in an E5/JW video that they made mention of just because it's from Screwfix/Toolstation doesn't mean it's 100% kosher; the main reference being thier lever connectors, you know the ones - naff all compliance info on the website listing and I believe sod all on the packaging either.

Yep, one of the more recent E5 podcasts. I have some of the connectors in questionactually, and I think they came in a bag with no information at all... Nice idea though and I've so far only used them in 12V lighting or for temporary connections.

Though it *should* be reasonable to assume that someone in a company the size of Toolstation has done some due diligence....

rapparee · Nov 3, 2020

pirate said:
Copper has a market price. The quality of copper in approved cables also has a price. If the copper in a cheap cable is less pure it will screw up your calculations and installations. If the copper in a cheap cable is as pure as it should be, and correctly sized, the saving must come from the insulation, which is not ideal.
Yes, you can find "offers" on well-known brands, but proper cable has a manufacturing cost, and a profit margin, and these are fairly constant. Cable at half-price will always have a question mark, unless it is a genuine disposal sale from a business closing down.

10+ Years ago. When I was an apprentice, one of the boys in my class was on a job. There was a load of cheap Turkish cable bought. (However, I don't know the brand, Ozler could be decent)

There was dozens of rolls installed and then they had to be ripped out because the cross sectional area was not consistent throughout the cabl

Proceed with caution

Edit:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41391343

It was Atlas Kablo which was used

Micktw68 · Mar 17, 2021

Just received a few rolls of Pamukkale Kablo from EDs , I've asked for it to be collected and refunded of exchanged for prysmian . Having stood before a court appointed technical adjudication once before I'm not prepared to risk going through that again...for he sake of a few pence e on the price of a roll.

stevethesparks · Mar 17, 2021

Who is ED's? Not Edmundson's surely?

Lister1987 · Mar 17, 2021

Dartlec said:
Yep, one of the more recent E5 podcasts. I have some of the connectors in questionactually, and I think they came in a bag with no information at all... Nice idea though and I've so far only used them in 12V lighting or for temporary connections.

Though it should be reasonable to assume that someone in a company the size of Toolstation has done some due diligence....

Or not, given how defensive and closed ship they are when questioned on the subject.

telectrix · Mar 17, 2021

what connectors are you referring to?

stevethesparks · Mar 17, 2021

telectrix said:
what connectors are you referring to?

I'm guessing the straight through connectors that bear resemblance to wago's from tool station

telectrix · Mar 17, 2021

stevethesparks said:
I'm guessing the straight through connectors that bear resemblance to wago's from tool station

if that's the L,N,E ones, i have used them on cable repairs. no problems.

Micktw68 · Mar 17, 2021

stevethesparks said:
Who is ED's? Not Edmundson's surely?

Yes Steve.

stevethesparks · Mar 17, 2021

I've always looked upon them as one of the most professional wholesalers, so surprised they are supplying that carp.

freddo · Mar 17, 2021

That cable is sold in many wholesalers locally now, it is very low grade. If I was responsible for purchasing I certainly wouldn't order it.

Timbo · Mar 17, 2021

I generally only use Prysmian cable.

MJPD29 · Mar 17, 2021

Micktw68 said:
Just received a few rolls of Pamukkale Kablo from EDs , I've asked for it to be collected and refunded of exchanged for prysmian . Having stood before a court appointed technical adjudication once before I'm not prepared to risk going through that again...for he sake of a few pence e on the price of a roll.

I have received the same from cef. Probably buying it cheap.

Micktw68 · Mar 17, 2021

Timbo said:
I generally only use Prysmian cable.

I was surprised when I walked in and saw it. Last batch I had was Prys. Looking at the invoice I can get 100m drums of prys cheaper from screwshits than Eds want for this garbage.

Teddy Lop · Mar 18, 2021

rapparee said:
10+ Years ago. When I was an apprentice, one of the boys in my class was on a job. There was a load of cheap Turkish cable bought. (However, I don't know the brand, Ozler could be decent)

There was dozens of rolls installed and then they had to be ripped out because the cross sectional area was not consistent throughout the cabl

Proceed with caution

Edit:

Millions of metres of dangerous cable 'in homes across UK' - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41391343

It was Atlas Kablo which was used

I remember working briefly for a firm in the early noughties that was using "cheap turkish dogs hit cable" according to the guys that worked there. Probably all came out the same factory!

I'm sure these companies are set up to knowingly sell second rate goods knowing that the regulation is many years behind the curve so when they eventually catch up the scoundrels abandon ships having made all the $$$$

Trouble is people up there be too stuck up to speak to the guys on the ground who know whats happenin.