Part P ...................

[gazdkw82]

I'm almost embarrassed the bring this up again but the whole thing still coming fuses me.

I head again today, a experienced spark say "iv got part P" when talking about qualifications.

I understand what part P is and I have past my building regulations exam as part of my level 2 however, how does one...... Have part P?

If you have done building regs (which includes part P) does that mean I have part P?

Also a friend of mine had some work done in his house, I said to him, "why didn't you come and see me?" He said "well it needs to be all part P".

Just confuses me.

 

[buzzlightyear]

if you have the 2381 c/g then you can do part p work and apply the regs ,

 

[JAWS]

I think everyone is Part P are they not as long as they comply with Regs

 

[Wilko]

Probably they mean to say -> "I am a member of a Competent Person Scheme and can self assess and notify my domestic electrical installation works (where required) to Local Council for building approvals in England and Wales" .

 

[gazdkw82]

So why are people so obsessed with part P?

Some Sparks mentioning it as a qualification within itself and customers actually asking for it?

 

[Octopus]

So why are people so obsessed with part P?

Home owners may be prosecuted for non compliance ... and not having the relevant certificates when you come to sell will cause issues and delays and costs to the process....

 

[buzzlightyear]

Home owners may be prosecuted for non compliance ... and not having the relevant certificates when you come to sell will cause issues and delays and costs to the process

so when will the government sit up and take notice on this ,many councils cant be bothered chancing people .

 

[Pete999]

So why are people so obsessed with part P?

Some Sparks mentioning it as a qualification within itself and customers actually asking for it?

Never needed it so no experience, I think it means you have completed a part P building regulation course and satisfied your Scheme assessor that you are competent to carry out and test electrical works that require notification, I sure there will be far better explanations from those who are registered with a scheme such as ELECSA, STROMA etc

 

[JAWS]

Never needed it so no experience, I think it means you have completed a part P building regulation course and satisfied your Scheme assessor that you are competent to carry out and test electrical works that require notification, I sure there will be far better explanations from those who are registered with a scheme such as ELECSA, STROMA etc

I am pretty sure you are wrong. Part P is nothing to do with any course its a compliance enforced by the government that any electrical work must meet the relevant standard.
A DIYer can put a new circuit in and contact Building control which then means its complying with Part P

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

I did the daft Part P city and guilds building regs course as my previous employer sent a group of us on it, was daft things like safe zones, where to cut joists, a little on extraction rates and a small bit on notifying work. then a pick the correct answer multi choice computer test. not sure it makes much difference to be honest. its all stuff you should know if in the trade, especially if house bashing.
The niceic assessor ticks a box on his ipad each year when discussing qualifications and going through the other paperwork.
Not sure if its mandatory to have it to join a scheme? but as others have said what they really mean is they are part of a scheme to self notify certain electrical works

 

[ipf]

It's all about being Part P registered....not qualified.
If you're a scam member, you're qualified to register. The completion certificate then includes the part P number, issued by building control.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

A DIYer can put a new circuit in and contact Building control which then means its complying with Part P

A diyer will need to notify building control before starting ,then the council send somebody out to check and test it. if all is okay they will issue compliance certificate, if you go ahead and do it without telling them they normally charge you a lot more these days, in times past you could get away retrospectively telling them, now they see an opportunity to charge you more.

 

[Pete999]

I am pretty sure you are wrong. Part P is nothing to do with any course its a compliance enforced by the government that any electrical work must meet the relevant standard.
A DIYer can put a new circuit in and contact Building control which then means its complying with Part P

See the next post

 

[Pete999]

I am pretty sure you are wrong. Part P is nothing to do with any course its a compliance enforced by the government that any electrical work must meet the relevant standard.
A DIYer can put a new circuit in and contact Building control which then means its complying with Part P

Part P – Full Scope Course | Access Training - https://www.accesstraininguk.co.uk/electrical-courses/electrical-part-p-full-scope?adgroup=47446275334&network=s&device=c&keyword=part%20p%20courses&adposition=1t1&gclid=CjwKCAjwg_fZBRAoEiwAppvp-XrXEdW6CAttdoT4H741n2-Brnc1Q3ofwKM3n-Tup5Fm6V63y1dqrBoCBR8QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

[Des 56]

If somebody uttered the words ( or asked about) being Part P qualified
It can very often mean the person has little or no standard electrician training

He will likely have very limited knowledge of this trade
However,he will be unaware of how very limited his training actually is and will believe that being a Part Peer he is top of the skilled Tree

 

[westward10]

We are registered with a scheme for Part P notification and self certifying, no one in our company has undertaken any Part P course. All work we undertake is compliant to BS7671 and that is all you need to know nothing else. Part P is only useful for telling you what is notifiable and what is not.

 

[Pete999]

I think everyone is Part P are they not as long as they comply with Regs

Sorry Mate pressed wrong button meant to disagree NOT dislike, changed it now.

 

[JAWS]

Sorry Mate pressed wrong button meant to disagree NOT dislike, changed it now.

No worries Pete that's fine mate I think I am getting a little confused.

 

[Midwest]

So why are people so obsessed with part P?

Some Sparks mentioning it as a qualification within itself and customers actually asking for it?

Ignorance of legislation

 

[gazdkw82]

So there isn't any specific part P paperwork? It's just the usual process

Installation in occurdance with bs7671
Relevant testing
Relevant test results cert EIC/minor works cert
Building control notified via scheme or by yourself

??

 

[Octopus]

A DIYer can put a new circuit in and contact Building control which then means its complying with Part P

Disagree with the last bit.

A diyer can contact building control, pay a fee (large normally) and the Building control will inspect, test and sign off compliance...

So the DIYer parts with a large fee ................

 

[ipf]

He will likely have very limited knowledge of this trade
However,he will be unaware of how very limited his training actually is and will believe that being a Part Peer he is top of the skilled Tree

...and he won't be the first fairy to top it...…..or the last.

 

[uksrevivor]

Part P is the notification of electrical works carried out in domestic properties. It stipulates what work is notifiable to LBC and what is not. To comply with Part P regulations means you understand what electrical work is notifiable and what is not i.e special locations e.t.c.
and you have notified LBC or the work carried out is notified under one of the schemes by a registered member normally once completed.
Basically a registered domestic installer who is a member of a scheme will be Part P compliant. A lot of Electrical Trainee courses offer a part P qualification which is in fact not a very well recognised qualification.

 

[JAWS]

Part P is the notification of electrical works carried out in domestic properties. It stipulates what work is notifiable to LBC and what is not. To comply with Part P regulations means you understand what electrical work is notifiable and what is not i.e special locations e.t.c.
and you have notified LBC or the work carried out is notified under one of the schemes by a registered member normally once completed.
Basically a registered domestic installer who is a member of a scheme will be Part P compliant. A lot of Electrical Trainee courses offer a part P qualification which is in fact not a very well recognised qualification.

But its not a qualification is it, comply means act within accordance.

 

[rolyberkin]

So many answers and nearly all as confused as each other!?
Part P is merely one of the approved documents for building regulations which covers electrical safety. The approved documents are all free to read, view and download from the planning portal here.
Approved Documents | Planning Portal - https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200135/approved_documents
Read and digest and it will all become crystal clear or a good summary is supplied here.
What is Part P? - https://www.stroma.com/certification/what-is-part-p

 

[Taylortwocities]

@rolyberkin is nearly right.
The Statutory Instrument (thats the bit enshrined in LAW) in the whole shebang is as follows

That's it, nothing more.

The APPROVED DOCUMENT that rolyberkin has linked to starts off with a preamble that says something like

"Approved documents are a GUIDE on how to meet the requirement of building regulation Part xx"

The Approved Document tells you the recommended way of making the installation safe. Remember it is a GUIDE and not a regulation.

Now, you could try and argue this point with LABC, or the Scams, to say that "my installation meets P1 and that's all that is needed". But it's easier for the scams and LABC to say that the Approved Document (which suggests that BS7671 is a way of meeting the guide) = Moses's Tablets of Stone and that thou shalt abide by it.
Even though it is not law.

 

[Fitzy]

Perspective customers don’t understand what “Part P” means either and are confused by it too. I’ve lost out on 2 jobs so far because the customers were insisting on me being Part P registered with NICEIC (or other bodies) just to add a couple of double sockets to a RFC and other job was to move a couple of sockets in a kitchen, but because “my friend told me you HAVE to be registered with NICEIC etc to carry out ANY electrical work”, I didn’t get the jobs.

 

[JAWS]

That's it, nothing more.

The APPROVED DOCUMENT that rolyberkin has linked to starts off with a preamble that says something like

"Approved documents are a GUIDE on how to meet the requirement of building regulation Part xx"

The Approved Document tells you the recommended way of making the installation safe. Remember it is a GUIDE and not a regulation.

Now, you could try and argue this point with LABC, or the Scams, to say that "my installation meets P1 and that's all that is needed". But it's easier for the scams and LABC to say that the Approved Document (which suggests that BS7671 is a way of meeting the guide) = Moses's Tablets of Stone and that thou shalt abide by it.
Even though it is not law.[/QUOTE]

This is basically what I have been trying to get at

 

[Octopus]

The discussions about Part P are nothing new .................. there are 2 routes to get to apply to sparks IMHO

1. Be a scam member and self certify then the scam does the notification

2. Get your LABC to agree that you are competent and notify direct with them.

I'm with Stroma and the £306 fee is less than £5 per week ............ for piece of mind for me and my customers ... a small price to pay - which I do pass on too.

 

[Richard Burns]

People get all fired up about it because it is the LAW!
People then get confused about it because they do not know the law.
You can be qualified in part P (and the rest of the approved documents) by passing a course, which means you should know about the building regulations to which electrical work may apply.
You can be registered, "qualified", approved, accredited, with a competent person scheme under Part P which means you can self certify your work as being in compliance with all the building regulations.
"Part P" can be complied with in various other ways as well.
It is not complicated, difficult or convoluted it is straightforward and easy but still the vast majority do not seem to understand!

 

[Taylortwocities]

You can be registered, "qualified", approved, accredited, with a competent person scheme under Part P which means you can self certify your work as being in compliance with all the building regulations.

I think that you mean “self NOTIFY”.
There are no requirements for certification, anybody could do that (we would hope for a level of competence!)

 

[Taylortwocities]

You can be registered, "qualified", approved, accredited, with a competent person scheme under Part P which means you can self certify your work as being in compliance with all the building regulations.

I think that you mean “self NOTIFY”.
There are no requirements for certification, anybody could do that (we would hope for a level of competence!)

 

[Zdb]

I'm almost embarrassed the bring this up again but the whole thing still coming fuses me.

I head again today, a experienced spark say "iv got part P" when talking about qualifications.

I understand what part P is and I have past my building regulations exam as part of my level 2 however, how does one...... Have part P?

If you have done building regs (which includes part P) does that mean I have part P?

Also a friend of mine had some work done in his house, I said to him, "why didn't you come and see me?" He said "well it needs to be all part P".

Just confuses me.

He was probably talking about this course:

Part P City & Guilds 2393 1 Day Course - https://www.tradeskills4u.co.uk/courses/part-p-2393

The C&G 2393.

 

[Richard Burns]

I think that you mean “self NOTIFY”.
There are no requirements for certification, anybody could do that (we would hope for a level of competence!)

The wording in the approved document is that one of the procedures to certify that the work complies with the requirements set out in the building regulations is "self certification by a registered competent person". The process you are completing is to ensure that your competent person scheme provides a building regulations compliance certificate to the customer and building control.
You are, by being competent (or skilled (electrically)) and inspecting,testing and certifying the work according to BS7671 ensuring that your work complies with the building regulations and you then make a statement by notifying your CPS that "This work complies with sections 4 & 10 of the Building Regulations 2010 (as amended)" so that they can issue a building regulations compliance certificate.

 

[telectrix]

part pee is the biggest load of crap since the titanic. a virtually untrained Electrical Trainee can join a scam and notify, whereas a time served spark with years of experience who prefers not to chuck out £500 a year of his hard-earned, can't.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

I think that you mean “self NOTIFY”.
There are no requirements for certification, anybody could do that (we would hope for a level of competence!)

It's not surprising there is so much confusion on Part P with some of the extremely misleading posts on this thread.
Part P requires all work in domestic situations to comply with Bs 7671, Bs 7671 requires relevant certification to be issued to the homeowner,ie MW/EIC. Part P requires notification to building control for certain work (new circuits/ CU changes etc). Both means of 'signing off' are required but are two different things.

 

[Taylortwocities]

Agreed. The “Approved Document” is just a GUIDE as to how the STATUTORY INSTRUMENT can be met.
It is a guide only.
It is the “Approved Document” that suggests that complying with BS7671 is a great way of making electrical installations safe, etc. You might also be able to comply by using Romanian regulations, but it’s easier for bodies like LABC to say that the “Approved Document” is the Bible, and that’s it.

 

[123]

I'm with Stroma and the £306 fee is less than £5 per week ............ for piece of mind for me and my customers ... a small price to pay - which I do pass on too.

How many weeks are in your year then?

 

[Octopus]

How many weeks are in your year then?

Ok less than £6 per week, or round my way less than 2 x labc fees

 

[uksrevivor]

Massive 1 you are right its not a qualification but a lot of Electrical Trainee courses make it out to be.I think some even offer a certificate of competence in part P but it is worthless.