Part P ...................

[Octopus]

A DIYer can put a new circuit in and contact Building control which then means its complying with Part P

Disagree with the last bit.

A diyer can contact building control, pay a fee (large normally) and the Building control will inspect, test and sign off compliance...

So the DIYer parts with a large fee ................

 

[ipf]

He will likely have very limited knowledge of this trade
However,he will be unaware of how very limited his training actually is and will believe that being a Part Peer he is top of the skilled Tree

...and he won't be the first fairy to top it...…..or the last.

 

[uksrevivor]

Part P is the notification of electrical works carried out in domestic properties. It stipulates what work is notifiable to LBC and what is not. To comply with Part P regulations means you understand what electrical work is notifiable and what is not i.e special locations e.t.c.
and you have notified LBC or the work carried out is notified under one of the schemes by a registered member normally once completed.
Basically a registered domestic installer who is a member of a scheme will be Part P compliant. A lot of Electrical Trainee courses offer a part P qualification which is in fact not a very well recognised qualification.

 

[JAWS]

Part P is the notification of electrical works carried out in domestic properties. It stipulates what work is notifiable to LBC and what is not. To comply with Part P regulations means you understand what electrical work is notifiable and what is not i.e special locations e.t.c.
and you have notified LBC or the work carried out is notified under one of the schemes by a registered member normally once completed.
Basically a registered domestic installer who is a member of a scheme will be Part P compliant. A lot of Electrical Trainee courses offer a part P qualification which is in fact not a very well recognised qualification.

But its not a qualification is it, comply means act within accordance.

 

[rolyberkin]

So many answers and nearly all as confused as each other!?
Part P is merely one of the approved documents for building regulations which covers electrical safety. The approved documents are all free to read, view and download from the planning portal here.
Approved Documents | Planning Portal - https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200135/approved_documents
Read and digest and it will all become crystal clear or a good summary is supplied here.
What is Part P? - https://www.stroma.com/certification/what-is-part-p

 

[Taylortwocities]

@rolyberkin is nearly right.
The Statutory Instrument (thats the bit enshrined in LAW) in the whole shebang is as follows

That's it, nothing more.

The APPROVED DOCUMENT that rolyberkin has linked to starts off with a preamble that says something like

"Approved documents are a GUIDE on how to meet the requirement of building regulation Part xx"

The Approved Document tells you the recommended way of making the installation safe. Remember it is a GUIDE and not a regulation.

Now, you could try and argue this point with LABC, or the Scams, to say that "my installation meets P1 and that's all that is needed". But it's easier for the scams and LABC to say that the Approved Document (which suggests that BS7671 is a way of meeting the guide) = Moses's Tablets of Stone and that thou shalt abide by it.
Even though it is not law.

 

[Fitzy]

Perspective customers don’t understand what “Part P” means either and are confused by it too. I’ve lost out on 2 jobs so far because the customers were insisting on me being Part P registered with NICEIC (or other bodies) just to add a couple of double sockets to a RFC and other job was to move a couple of sockets in a kitchen, but because “my friend told me you HAVE to be registered with NICEIC etc to carry out ANY electrical work”, I didn’t get the jobs.

 

[JAWS]

That's it, nothing more.

The APPROVED DOCUMENT that rolyberkin has linked to starts off with a preamble that says something like

"Approved documents are a GUIDE on how to meet the requirement of building regulation Part xx"

The Approved Document tells you the recommended way of making the installation safe. Remember it is a GUIDE and not a regulation.

Now, you could try and argue this point with LABC, or the Scams, to say that "my installation meets P1 and that's all that is needed". But it's easier for the scams and LABC to say that the Approved Document (which suggests that BS7671 is a way of meeting the guide) = Moses's Tablets of Stone and that thou shalt abide by it.
Even though it is not law.[/QUOTE]

This is basically what I have been trying to get at

 

[Octopus]

The discussions about Part P are nothing new .................. there are 2 routes to get to apply to sparks IMHO

1. Be a scam member and self certify then the scam does the notification

2. Get your LABC to agree that you are competent and notify direct with them.

I'm with Stroma and the £306 fee is less than £5 per week ............ for piece of mind for me and my customers ... a small price to pay - which I do pass on too.

 

[Richard Burns]

People get all fired up about it because it is the LAW!
People then get confused about it because they do not know the law.
You can be qualified in part P (and the rest of the approved documents) by passing a course, which means you should know about the building regulations to which electrical work may apply.
You can be registered, "qualified", approved, accredited, with a competent person scheme under Part P which means you can self certify your work as being in compliance with all the building regulations.
"Part P" can be complied with in various other ways as well.
It is not complicated, difficult or convoluted it is straightforward and easy but still the vast majority do not seem to understand!

 

[Taylortwocities]

You can be registered, "qualified", approved, accredited, with a competent person scheme under Part P which means you can self certify your work as being in compliance with all the building regulations.

I think that you mean “self NOTIFY”.
There are no requirements for certification, anybody could do that (we would hope for a level of competence!)

 

[Taylortwocities]

You can be registered, "qualified", approved, accredited, with a competent person scheme under Part P which means you can self certify your work as being in compliance with all the building regulations.

I think that you mean “self NOTIFY”.
There are no requirements for certification, anybody could do that (we would hope for a level of competence!)

 

[Zdb]

I'm almost embarrassed the bring this up again but the whole thing still coming fuses me.

I head again today, a experienced spark say "iv got part P" when talking about qualifications.

I understand what part P is and I have past my building regulations exam as part of my level 2 however, how does one...... Have part P?

If you have done building regs (which includes part P) does that mean I have part P?

Also a friend of mine had some work done in his house, I said to him, "why didn't you come and see me?" He said "well it needs to be all part P".

Just confuses me.

He was probably talking about this course:

Part P City & Guilds 2393 1 Day Course - https://www.tradeskills4u.co.uk/courses/part-p-2393

The C&G 2393.

 

[Richard Burns]

I think that you mean “self NOTIFY”.
There are no requirements for certification, anybody could do that (we would hope for a level of competence!)

The wording in the approved document is that one of the procedures to certify that the work complies with the requirements set out in the building regulations is "self certification by a registered competent person". The process you are completing is to ensure that your competent person scheme provides a building regulations compliance certificate to the customer and building control.
You are, by being competent (or skilled (electrically)) and inspecting,testing and certifying the work according to BS7671 ensuring that your work complies with the building regulations and you then make a statement by notifying your CPS that "This work complies with sections 4 & 10 of the Building Regulations 2010 (as amended)" so that they can issue a building regulations compliance certificate.

 

[telectrix]

part pee is the biggest load of crap since the titanic. a virtually untrained Electrical Trainee can join a scam and notify, whereas a time served spark with years of experience who prefers not to chuck out £500 a year of his hard-earned, can't.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

I think that you mean “self NOTIFY”.
There are no requirements for certification, anybody could do that (we would hope for a level of competence!)

It's not surprising there is so much confusion on Part P with some of the extremely misleading posts on this thread.
Part P requires all work in domestic situations to comply with Bs 7671, Bs 7671 requires relevant certification to be issued to the homeowner,ie MW/EIC. Part P requires notification to building control for certain work (new circuits/ CU changes etc). Both means of 'signing off' are required but are two different things.

 

[Taylortwocities]

Agreed. The “Approved Document” is just a GUIDE as to how the STATUTORY INSTRUMENT can be met.
It is a guide only.
It is the “Approved Document” that suggests that complying with BS7671 is a great way of making electrical installations safe, etc. You might also be able to comply by using Romanian regulations, but it’s easier for bodies like LABC to say that the “Approved Document” is the Bible, and that’s it.

 

[123]

I'm with Stroma and the £306 fee is less than £5 per week ............ for piece of mind for me and my customers ... a small price to pay - which I do pass on too.

How many weeks are in your year then?

 

[Octopus]

How many weeks are in your year then?

Ok less than £6 per week, or round my way less than 2 x labc fees

 

[uksrevivor]

Massive 1 you are right its not a qualification but a lot of Electrical Trainee courses make it out to be.I think some even offer a certificate of competence in part P but it is worthless.