Power Shower Mains Supply

[stearman65]

I am involved in a bathroom makeover, part of which is replacing the existing power shower with a like for like replacement (Mira Event XS manual). The shower is installed in a purpose built apartment block which is 20 years old. There is no RCD/RCBO installed in the supply to the shower. The shower is connected to the apartments H&C tanked water systems & has no internal heater (13amp) supply just the power motorised pump. The existing installation has the usual multi switch consumer unit, which supplies a sunken wall mounted on/off switch. Which RCD/RCBO should I fit?
Stearman65

 

[Plonker 3]

Ditto lol, we read each others mind fella haha.

I wouldnt say mine is great at the minute, stil full pf blurryness from last/this mornings alchol.

 

[stearman65]

See post 14.
Stearman65.

 

[Plonker 3]

See post 14.
Stearman65.

The company installing the new bathroom had a full spec' from me, but now the job is nearing completion I'm beginning to think they will be leaving the existing shower wiring as it is, which I believe is incorrect.
Stearman65.
BTW I'm a member of an un-related forum that is dying on its feet due to abusive posts.

So the job is not yet complete? So you have no grounds to blame them of anything until the job is complete.

 

[Guest77]

See post 14.
Stearman65.

Yes read it, still don't make sence, you should address your concerns to them if worried, the existing wiring may be okay, maybe not, the fitters should know about that, the RCD is the issue I believe?

 

[Guest77]

Sounds to me as if you have told them you are doing the work and they just screw it to the wall fella

What I thought I might do was to fit an extension box to this to bring it proud of the surface then mount an RCD or RCBO this such as 1

 

[telectrix]

seems to me this thread is now going round in circles. respectfully suggest that it's closed. hope that doesn't offend anyone. :uhoh2:

 

[Guest77]

Well I just find it confusing, basically a company is refitting a bathroom, the OP is worried an RCD won't get fitted and the existing cable re-used, he has not asked them about it. I then see he hassaid he will be fitting an RCD, So he is obviously intending to do the job himself, he has already said he is not qualified. I am a little confused by it all, I also see him complaining about replies he doesn't like, I hope he is okay, I think he is an OAP as he said he worked for 50 years, I hope he isn't skint and so trying to save money by trying to take on work he is not qualified to do. Now if he is offended well I am sorry, I just think the whole thread is totally confusing and now have no idea what the truth is, how can we give advice with a confusing thread, to keep the thread alive I agree to pull out, apologies if I have upset anyone, including you Tel, carry on alone fella.

 

[ruston]

Well I just find it confusing, basically a company is refitting a bathroom, the OP is worried an RCD won't get fitted and the existing cable re-used, he has not asked them about it. I then see he hassaid he will be fitting an RCD, So he is obviously intending to do the job himself, he has already said he is not qualified. I am a little confused by it all, I also see him complaining about replies he doesn't like, I hope he is okay, I think he is an OAP as he said he worked for 50 years, I hope he isn't skint and so trying to save money by trying to take on work he is not qualified to do. Now if he is offended well I am sorry, I just think the whole thread is totally confusing and now have no idea what the truth is, how can we give advice with a confusing thread, to keep the thread alive I agree to pull out, apologies if I have upset anyone, including you Tel, carry on alone fella.

It may be a limited company.

 

[telectrix]

could be. but then they could be plc, which is a whole different ball game. a plc would be a bit over the top for controlling bathroom electrics though.

 

[GMES]

Gasp..

I can't believe you've just gasped at me Mike:shocked3:
Re the highlighted part of my post by you, The op reported tel's post ( that's what I meant by logged) Paul then sorted it with tel and we then thought it was sorted
but the op made another comment which left me telling him to let it go and move on.

 

[Guest77]

I can't believe you've just gasped at me Mike:shocked3:
Re the highlighted part of my post by you, The op reported tel's post ( that's what I meant by logged) Paul then sorted it with tel and we then thought it was sorted
but the op made another comment which left me telling him to let it go and move on.

Well I was hoping after all the fun lately it would have made you laugh, it was in Jest :yes:

 

[ruston]

could be. but then they could be plc, which is a whole different ball game. a plc would be a bit over the top for controlling bathroom electrics though.

That's logical.

 

[GMES]

It did fella, We all know you are very selective with your Gasps, so I'm honoured, I will know I've made it the day I get one of your Gasted Flabbers:yes:

 

[stearman65]

If nobody can quote the relevant part of the reg's I will close this down. This is the only way to confirm whether an RCD should be fitted in this particular case. If someone doesn't quote the correct ruling from the reg's by midnight, I'm out of here, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, you can't put a price on safety.
Stearman65.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Regulation 134.1.1 and regulation 510.3

 

[Plonker 3]

If nobody can quote the relevant part of the reg's I will close this down. This is the only way to confirm whether an RCD should be fitted in this particular case. If someone doesn't quote the correct ruling from the reg's by midnight, I'm out of here, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, you can't put a price on safety.
Stearman65.

Nail head and hit spring to mind.

 

[Resu]

If nobody can quote the relevant part of the reg's I will close this down. This is the only way to confirm whether an RCD should be fitted in this particular case. If someone doesn't quote the correct ruling from the reg's by midnight, I'm out of here, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, you can't put a price on safety.
Stearman65.

134.1.1 - "Electrical equipment should be installed in accordance with the instructions provided by the manufacturer of the equipment"

So yes!

 

[Darkwood]

If nobody can quote the relevant part of the reg's I will close this down. This is the only way to confirm whether an RCD should be fitted in this particular case. If someone doesn't quote the correct ruling from the reg's by midnight, I'm out of here, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, you can't put a price on safety.
Stearman65.

You have been given very good advice.. ruffled a feather maybe but if you asked you would have been given the relevant regulation earlier ..

Please don't try hold the forum to ransom by stating deadlines etc .. we all do this for free to ensure people like yourself don't fall foul of rip off artists so we would appreciate a bit of mutual respect .. personally I don't take kind to your later tone in this thread and on that note I'll be honest that its me that reported you for been off hand.

 

[stearman65]

As I don't seem to be able to anyone quote the actual regulation only a number relating to a generic ruling, I did a search & found-
(IMPORTANT ELECTRICAL INFORMATION
IEE Wiring Regulations BS 7671 17th Edition
Under IEE Wiring Regulations BS 7671 17th Edition. First time installations (not like for like replacement showers) must have an rcd fitted, A safety device that cuts the power instantly an electrical fault is detected,* While this is a legal requirement for new installations, and not replacements, you are strongly recommended to install a rcd unit for the shower circuit,or upgrade your existing consumer unit (fuse box) to one complying with the 17th Edition regulations.This can also affect your shower manufactures guarantee) So I will be having one fitted, anyone care to give me a ballpark figure
13amp DP 30MA RCD.?
Stearman65

 

[GMES]

Stearman you have been given nothing but good advice throughout this thread and yet you still seem unhappy, I'm slightly puzzled by it to be honest!!
If you no longer wish to participate in the thread then that is your prerogative however it is the staff that close threads not members.

 

[stearman65]

Maybe if my initial reception had been courteous things might have been different.
Stearman65

 

[Sintra]

If nobody can quote the relevant part of the reg's I will close this down. This is the only way to confirm whether an RCD should be fitted in this particular case. If someone doesn't quote the correct ruling from the reg's by midnight, I'm out of here, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, you can't put a price on safety.
Stearman65.

You have been given sound advise throughout the course of this thread. Now you have come back with a demanding attitude which doesn't work on here. One other thing you have got wrong is you can't close anything down but I can so this thread is now closed.