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[ragsta]

hi forumer's i got a quote today for £500 for

installation of a 12 way RCD consumer unit including issue Part P NICEIC Electrical Installation Certificate and Supervision. Additionally: "However what I failed to mention was the Registration fee and Part P Insurance of £100"

We've also agreed to rectify any faults to allow your RCD consumer unit to work normally without any further charges.

so thats another £100 on top. What exactly are these fee's for, are they mandatory, who is the money going to, is the quote reasonable?

I am in west london if that makes a difference. The background is that i've completed the ring with sockets/spurs all within 17th Ed. regs. and all visible to see. The same for the lighting circuit.

Thanks.

 

[Johnny-G]

£500 seems a lot, even for west London, but any remedials required could be expensive too so at least that's covered, if they find any.
The insurance is optional and to notify a job costs about £2.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the rest, are they going to be signing off work you've done as their own?

 

[ragsta]

hi J-G, the work was carried out by myself under super vision from another sparky who was doing next doors work - a friends friend. The extension and house is the same. There is some work left to do like tracing the cables to the CU area which ill do under the supervison of the new electrician whilst he's doing the CU.

So thats 100% it is an optional payment , from some quick research its for a 6 yr warranty for defective work ?

 

[Johnny-G]

I see, that must be what the 'Supervision' covers then.
I've just read that the NICEIC Insurance Backed Warranty is compulsory (I'm with Elecsa and it's 100% optional) so didn't realise that to be honest. I do however find it hard to believe that you *have* to pay an extra £100 for that and notification of your job.
I'm sure an NICEIC lad or 2 will post the exact requirements

 

[Sickmick]

Does seem a bit steep, but I doubt you'd find many other electricians who'd cert DIY work off as their own.

 

[Johnny-G]

He has stated that he was under supervision whilst carrying out the works, which is fine, but it pretty much means that he's at the mercy now of whomever that was...

 

[Octopus]

£100 for notification and (optional) insurance is a RIP off.

FYI I charge £10.00 for certificate and notification on a board change and send the Elecsa leaflet with the invoice - if the client wants the insurance its up to them

 

[Spudnik]

The insurance does not protect the buyer from poor workmanship.

It is their for non compliance with the building regs etc.

It could very well be bad work, but could still comply.

 

[Johnny-G]

Just a thought, but how much supervision did they actually do?

 

[Geoffsd]

I didn't understand the question.

Are you, ragsta, the householder or the electrician?

 

[truckster]

I've just read that the NICEIC Insurance Backed Warranty is compulsory (I'm with Elecsa and it's 100% optional) so didn't realise that to be honest.

How can that be right? Part P requirements only require the warranty to be offered to clients and even then you cannot discuss it with them unless you are FIA registered.

Or is it the good old NICEIC cash register tinkling again?

 

[ragsta]

just a thought, but how much supervision did they actually do?


I didn't understand the question.
Are you, ragsta, the householder or the electrician?

Bearing in mind i did 6 weeks of reading up from various sources so i knew what i was doing anyhow.

He advised me(more of a discussion i guess) on where to put the trunking, so all the wiring is correct in location, all drilling joist areas. advised and watched stripping wiring and checked others. I wired the junction boxes he checked, I dug the holes for the back box's and i marked and he checked the SL wires. All other wires i wrote out small labels and stuck them on he checked. This was over 3 days. The new guy is going to check all this as well. I think i can sign off the construction/ build part ?

I noticed from his business card he is elecsa registered "elecsa -part p." and NICEIC Pir's, but in his reply its NICEIC - part p :S. Does anyone know judging on the cost of £500 what the insurance cost is meant to be, considering one member said its a rip off for notification and insurance.

Do Elecsa not provide a part p certification with supervision. Is that why he's going with an NICEIC part p?

Goeoff I'm the householder buddy.

 

[mayfair]

Bearing in mind i did 6 weeks of reading up from various sources so i knew what i was doing anyhow.

6 weeks of reading eh and im still learning after 30 years, I think i must have had the wrong books!

 

[Amp David]

For starters what the hell is a part p certificate!

Never mind one with supervision. Saying that if i was asked to i&t some diy i would personally pass it to the next guy

 

[Des 56]

It is not legal to do what you are doing,although unlikely to come to light to any concerned authorities,so the multi thousand pound quoted fine should not affect you

There are 2 ways of complying with building regulation part p
You notify building control and pay the relevant fee and they inspect and test the work or you become a member of a scheme that are allowed to register their members as self certificating compliance with part p

What can be done as a registered member, is to supervise work carried out by others, and sign the test and inspection section of an installation certificate
You personally can sign the design and construction

What cannot be done is for the registered electrician to notify the job as if he actually installed the electrics

 

[DurhamSparky]

I noticed from his business card he is elecsa registered "elecsa -part p." and NICEIC Pir's, but in his reply its NICEIC - part p :S. Does anyone know judging on the cost of £500 what the insurance cost is meant to be, considering one member said its a rip off for notification and insurance.

Do Elecsa not provide a part p certification with supervision. Is that why he's going with an NICEIC part p?

HAHAHA the spark sounds a right con artist....!! Elecsa for Installs and "the NICEIC PIRS..." hahahahaha
do me a favour ragsta put your sparks details in here
http://www.competentperson.co.uk/search.asp
search for him and tell us who he is REALLY registered with......!! if he is elecsa registered he cant issue certs with NICEIC on them and vice versa... and considering the cost of what membership costs i will gurantee he wont be with both of them...!! one or the other..!

and there is NO such cert called a Part P Certificate with supervision..... you have either ELECTRICAL INSTALLATION CERTIFICATE or Nothing...!! and the certificate is exactly the same accross the UK Electrical world regardless of been Elecsa , NICEIC, Napit or Corgi....!!

sorry but i smell a RAT

 

[Geoffsd]

Firstly, Elecsa registered electricians do not charge you for insurance. They give you the information and it is up to you whether you want to take advantage of it - directly with the insurers, not the electrician.

There is no such thing as a NICEIC or Elecsa certificate. They are Electrical Installation certificates which may have the scheme logo on it. Obviously the schemes do not want their logo on the certificate if the contractor has not been registered with them. The certificate is part of the job: not an extra for which you pay.

Electricians are not allowed to certify other people's work. If the installer is willing then you could drill holes and chase walls where HE says it should be done but I would not be happy with you doing the wiring. If a third party is coming along after that to test it then a lot of it would have to be dismantled - so pointless.

If you think you can sign the design (construction/build as you call it) part of the certificate then I am sure you should have submitted plans to the Local Authority for approval before you started.

£500 for a new Consumer Unit may not be excessive for a large installation and a good CU.
However £100 to cover faults discovered after is not the correct way to do it. Any faults should be discovered before the CU fitting and either rectified as part of the job if small or discussed with you, the customer, to decide on the proper actions to be taken. This may cost a lot more than £100 so it's up to you, or more precisely the electrician if he has done no inspection, to take the chance.


Edit - I type too slowly.

 

[Johnny-G]

and there is NO such cert called a Part P Certificate with supervision....

I don't think that's what they're claiming to provide mate, that's just what they're quoting for ie. the installation of the CU, the issue of an EIC *plus* the supervision they've carried out whilst this chap's been doing the work & if they've had someone watching over him that would of course bump the price up, that's how I read it anyway
Still smells a bit off though...