Scottish wiring regs.

[sparkdog]

Can anyone explain in simple terms the requirements for an electrician to do work in Scotland on a self employed basis?I am Scottish but have been in SE England for a long time and am part P registered.So far as I can make out they require a building warrant issued by the local council for some types of electrical work but much of it seems to be non-notifiable and depends upon the type of house.Just wondered in case I am asked to do work there sometime.Thanks for any replies.

 

[solo2771]

Ask NICEIC, ELECSA, NAPPIT or who ever your reged with.
paul

 

[BigBreakfast]

As solo ays, sparkdog, seek advice from the NICEIC or the only other one in Scotland SELECT. They are helpful and should give you the information you seek.

 

[mogga]

SELECT are your best bet the local authorities probably have their own rules each different authority and each will have their own take on it like everything elese they do FFS Grampian even have WHITE Fire engines just to be different

 

[the pict]

The regs are the same,however and there is no fee or notification required the resonsibility rests with the person ordering the work to satisfy themself that they are employing a competant person, and it is down to the said competant person to adhere to the regs and issue the appropriate paperwork, the local authority only get involved at the completion stage, they will want certification from all trades involved to issue a completion certificate, only if it's a job that planning and building control are interested in, new builds, additions or alterations to an existing build, but if a home owner wants a job done that does not need local authority approval it,s down to the home owner to make sure it,s done by a competant person

 

[sparkdog]

Thanks very much the pict that really clears it up.Regards,sparkdog.

 

[oldtimer]

Your not obliged to join Select etc and Part P does not exist like every other trade you need PL insurance and the correct qualifications some local authorities insist on certification by a "registered installer" and some like Edinburgh will accept a certificate "by enquiry" or in other word you need to attach a copy of your grade card and tester calibration certificate.

On a personal note I feel this registration milarky needs to be sorted out as in Scotland to say that it is manditory could be a violaton of free trade and as I have said in previous posts there should be a central registration managed by the SJIB and paid by a fixed fee from electricians say £50 a year that is also open to the public where they can see your registration / qualifications and that you are insured. This would also be helpfull to the Inland Revenue so that they can compare against their information plus it would highlight who is working under the wire ie cowboys or the eastern european "sparks" who are here for a quick buck

 

[malcolmsanford]

Oldtimer sorry to jump in on this thread, but on another thread here a lad attested to an "Approved Electricians" course which is run by the SJIB. I tried to look it up on the website but could not find it, do you know of htis and would you have a link to it by any chance. Many thanks

 

[oldtimer]

Oldtimer sorry to jump in on this thread, but on another thread here a lad attested to an "Approved Electricians" course which is run by the SJIB. I tried to look it up on the website but could not find it, do you know of htis and would you have a link to it by any chance. Many thanks

Sorry Malcolm I am not picking you up here can you point me in the direction of the other thread. Also just to be clear I am not knocking "registration" companies I just want to see a better way that Joe Public can see transparency within our trade after all I have no problem with compitition but I feel we need to simplify this one example would be I got a phone call from Jean Public who said sorry I cannot use you to PIR for my property because you are not registered and you dont even comply with part P but she could have got a registered company who the owner is not even electrically qualified after all this is the age of the internet where you can buy your tax disc online with Swansee checking your MOT electronically so why cant we, me think the reason is the registration companies dont just want the training side of the business they want to supervise the registration side as well and again me thinks this could break the law on free trade where an individual has all the qualifications and insurances legally required by law yet could be descriminated because he or she cannot pay the membership fees. As I have said before being registered does not mean you are playing by the rules in fact I feel that it is helping them because they are not being policed.

 

[malcolmsanford]

Re: JIB Electrician - what next?

The approved electritians course

Check the sjib website. you have to be 2 years out of your time, then you do a distance learning course for part 1 then for part 2 you do 4 job cards, once that is complete u go and do a one day skills test.

The thread is in bold and the italics are what a lad posted. I certainly don't doubt him but it's not a course i'm aware of that the JIB do in England, I did look on the website and could not find it there.

I just thought as you have been around the block al ittle it might be something you came across

 

[the pict]

If you consider the fact that in England some guys who are registered with NAPIT ECA or what ever are having their certs knocked back by some LABC as they want a NICEIC aprroved spark and this whole SJIB card is a joke, and SELECT want that or your aprenticship papers for christ sake and at the end of the day paper is paper and anone with an ounce of PC savvy can knock out anything they want including a Phd As far as I am concerned C&G And assesment by NICEIC is the only way to get every one on the same page

 

[oldtimer]

Re: JIB Electrician - what next?

The approved electritians course

Check the sjib website. you have to be 2 years out of your time, then you do a distance learning course for part 1 then for part 2 you do 4 job cards, once that is complete u go and do a one day skills test.

The thread is in bold and the italics are what a lad posted. I certainly don't doubt him but it's not a course i'm aware of that the JIB do in England, I did look on the website and could not find it there.

I just thought as you have been around the block al ittle it might be something you came across

You are correct I have been around the block I started my time in 1975 and had to attend the B or approved electrical course and there was no if or buts if you did not pass you could not become an electrician you then had to serve a further 2 years improving and if your employer thought you were ok they put you through your approved ticket but if not they could defer you for a further year (after 3 years it came automatically)this happened to a guy I worked with as on paper he was a superstar but as they say around here he could not put a nut in a monkeys mouth they the SJIB then changed the criteria to a total of 2 years service with electrical companies as guys were in and out of jobs since then I have had to return for the 15th,16th,17th I&T + ESC. Before 1975 you could pass your A or electricians exam but could not apply for your approved and if you failed the A then you had to serve 4 years then 1 as an Improver grade in order to get your electricians card. Now since 1985 I have not worked for a SJIB company but I still have had to liase with them with regards to renewing my grade card other than that I am out of touch with regards to what is required today

 

[poppypiesdad]

SELECT are your best bet the local authorities probably have their own rules each different authority and each will have their own take on it like everything elese they do FFS Grampian even have WHITE Fire engines just to be different

Do you know why ?

Because the correct colour STRATHCLYDE FIRE BRIGADE RED (honstly a colour) which they got ordered in contained too much lead for Scania to paint at there factory and as with good old public servants instead of saying just send red ones , went by default to WHITE , i kid you not, and thats why they are white

Jamie now back to topic

 

[AndrewMgan1976]

To be able to sign off building warrant work, you are required to have completed the Scottish Building Standards course and become an approved certifier.

 

[gamblor6]

Re: JIB Electrician - what next?

The approved electritians course

Check the sjib website. you have to be 2 years out of your time, then you do a distance learning course for part 1 then for part 2 you do 4 job cards, once that is complete u go and do a one day skills test.

The thread is in bold and the italics are what a lad posted. I certainly don't doubt him but it's not a course i'm aware of that the JIB do in England, I did look on the website and could not find it there.

I just thought as you have been around the block al ittle it might be something you came across

its the route to the approved grade in scotland. 2 years out your time with site exp then you fill in 4 job card type thingys and if they, select, think its worthy they arrange an aca, advanced competancy assesment. the aca is free for first time sitters, and believe me its hard to pass first time. i failed lol.