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The words that left Boris mouth were....
“Traveling to and from work but only where this is absolutely necessary and can’t be done from home” that and the other 3 reasons are listed as exceptions to the existing government advice.....I know how I’m interpreting it.......obviously it’s pretty simple and straightforward for anyone who can sit back and be handed 80% of they wages not so for the majority of us on here I expect, I’d go further and say the reason he’s left open ended is because he knows that no money is forthcoming for self employed but obviously can’t say that.....the people that authorise UC don’t understand it so how could they speed it up?
“Traveling to and from work but only where this is absolutely necessary and can’t be done from home” that and the other 3 reasons are listed as exceptions to the existing government advice.....I know how I’m interpreting it.......obviously it’s pretty simple and straightforward for anyone who can sit back and be handed 80% of they wages not so for the majority of us on here I expect, I’d go further and say the reason he’s left open ended is because he knows that no money is forthcoming for self employed but obviously can’t say that.....the people that authorise UC don’t understand it so how could they speed it up?
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Wishy washy in the language, but the overall gist is, we as a country are trying to slow the spread of the virus.
If that means forcing everyone stays indoors, then so be it.
If people had followed the guidelines earlier, we might have put this off a few days.
This is history lessons of the future. They will learn that half the people didn’t listen.
They closed the schools, kids played in the streets....
They closed the pubs, and drinkers crowded in for one last pint....
They are now telling you to stay at home.... so stay at home!
They will give some form of benefit, through UC or whatever, but in the meantime, do as you’re told.
If that means forcing everyone stays indoors, then so be it.
If people had followed the guidelines earlier, we might have put this off a few days.
This is history lessons of the future. They will learn that half the people didn’t listen.
They closed the schools, kids played in the streets....
They closed the pubs, and drinkers crowded in for one last pint....
They are now telling you to stay at home.... so stay at home!
They will give some form of benefit, through UC or whatever, but in the meantime, do as you’re told.
Think common sense needs to prevail here as we are being asked to stay at home with some allowances to this. If you wish to compound the situation by going out and possibly aiding the virus spread and maybe bringing it home to expose your family, which in some instances could be fatal that is your choice.
This is my view.
Wholesalers can not fully close, supplies will be needed for the health service and food chain if nothing else.
They may reduce the number of branches and in some areas may man the branches 24hrs instead of the call out service they offer at the moment.
Finishing off a rewire already started in an occupied house to me is essential, as would finishing off a heating install for a plumber.
Replacing sockets or anything else damaged / not working.
Starting any new work would not be essential.
Wholesalers can not fully close, supplies will be needed for the health service and food chain if nothing else.
They may reduce the number of branches and in some areas may man the branches 24hrs instead of the call out service they offer at the moment.
Finishing off a rewire already started in an occupied house to me is essential, as would finishing off a heating install for a plumber.
Replacing sockets or anything else damaged / not working.
Starting any new work would not be essential.
Sounds about right.
Here's a tweet at 10.03pm from Robert Jenrick, who is the MP for Newark and Secretary of State for Housing, Communities & Local Government
View: https://twitter.com/RobertJenrick/status/1242210351007096836
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Leesparkykent
Agree very unclear and my guess is the reason for that is if he says self employed must stay home then surely liable to cover their wages? They are trying to worm out of it...also a Boris fan but if he doesn't support us he has lost my vote.
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Other words that left the mouth of the PM were "If you don't follow the rules the police will have the powers to enforce them, including through fines and dispersing gatherings." Pretty clear what the government want us to do.
If they wanted us to do that I think they’d have made it crystal clear instead of just pretty clear.....
In the right circumstances it’s fine to continue to work as shown above I.e empty building working on own or with limited colleagues and complying with all social distancing, washing of hands etc. But obviously working in homes of clients is a crazy idea!! To risk not only your own health but the health and possible lives of others is irresponsible at best and downright reckless. If people can’t learn from what we have seen across the world with the ever increasing death rate in Italy, Spain etc then what hope have we got?? The virus is the same world over don’t think your special and in some way super human, STAY AT HOME.
I’ll be as skint as the next man in a week but I’d rather be satisfied I did my bit as should everybody and this pandemic WILL end Sooner if we all assist each other.
rant over!!!!!
I’ll be as skint as the next man in a week but I’d rather be satisfied I did my bit as should everybody and this pandemic WILL end Sooner if we all assist each other.
rant over!!!!!
I think Boris is operating under very difficult circumstances and I commend him and I have no time for any politician. The statement he made was not specific with regard to an individuals circumstances it was a generic statement to the nation, I doubt no other message like this has been made since the second world war.
I’m working in an empty house directly opposite mine I think I’ll be ok ?......the end of my garden is further from the front of my house than the house I’m working in.......my argument is more for all the poor sods who arnt so lucky and by the looks of it are being conveniently hung out to dry by the government
This has just appeared on a FB group i'm in, not sure if it's already been posted on this forum:
publications.parliament.uk
House of Commons Public Bill Committee Amendments: Coronavirus Bill pages 14-18
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davesparks
I'll be going out to replace a faulty RCD I looked at this afternoon, it's a seperate RCD feeding a CU which does all sockets in the house.
At first we thought it was the new boiler installation that was tripping it, but then I found its tripping at 13mA with all loads isolated, and you can make it trip by tapping the enclosure its in with a screwdriver.
After that I have an empty house to do some work on (I never thought I'd be doing domestic work again) but there's going to be plumbers there and we all know they can be pretty contagious at the best of times!
At first we thought it was the new boiler installation that was tripping it, but then I found its tripping at 13mA with all loads isolated, and you can make it trip by tapping the enclosure its in with a screwdriver.
After that I have an empty house to do some work on (I never thought I'd be doing domestic work again) but there's going to be plumbers there and we all know they can be pretty contagious at the best of times!
I agree 100%
No one is being hung out to dry these are exceptional circumstances. You want to see some poor sods look at the situation in Italy and don't think for one moment we may not be heading the same way.
This has just appeared on a FB group i'm in, not sure if it's already been posted on this forum:
House of Commons Public Bill Committee Amendments: Coronavirus Bill pages 14-18
Is that in progress or is it something that may come in?
Hearsay has it that it is at the proposal stage
Not arguing with that fact @weatward and just for the record I won’t be attending any jobs that are not essential.....but the government took the time under these exceptional circuits to ensure the majority had money for food and medicines but did nothing for the self employed, I don’t get any benefits and I need regular prescriptions from my accident and pre existing medical condition, what am I to do?....I’m certainly not alone in these circumstances I’m sure...
In many circumstances, yes. Is an emergency generator necessary in a hospital, or a food production line important? There are dozens of reasons why they are needed in this crisis.
My 100% agreement was more for the empty house working and not the hung out to dry comment. the circumstances are exceptional to say the least, tragic figures in Italy just awful.
Thanks Pretty, something like this needs to happen. I'm sure most of us are in the same boat
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Go ahead then and put money before your health and the health of your family and others. To stop this virus quickly and to help the NHS people need to start listening.
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davesparks
If he made clear every possible individual scenario in the announcement then he would have been going on for hours, and everyone would have stopped watching by the time he got to the bit that covers them.
The overall message is pretty clear, if your work isn't critical then don't go to work.
I'll be working tomorrow just to complete an urgent repair and then I'll be back home.
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The progress of the coronavirus bill can be tracked on the government website, I can't remeber exactly where at the moment but should be accessible through legislation.gov.uk
It should have had its second reading in the house of commons by now so I think it will be read in the house of Lords shortly.
They were discussing the Bill when I looked at BBC Parliamment earlier.
So as long as we're inside properties that are empty ie commercial or domestic we can still work,
That's the interpretation of my manager
That's the interpretation of my manager
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Sintra
Your manager is wrong the PM said
“From this evening I must give the British people a very simple instruction - you must stay at home. Because the critical thing we must do is stop the disease spreading between households." He also went on to say “You should not be meeting family members who do not live in your home.” This means you can’t even visit family let alone plod on and go to work unnecessarily.
I would say your manager is wrong. You must stay at home.
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davesparks
Why can't people think for themselves these days?
It's not exactly hard to see the indirect ways that staying at home will help.
The NHS is under major stress at the moment, so as well as reducing the spread of the disease we need to reduce the workload on the NHS in any other way possible.
If everyone stays at home as much as possible the number of accidents occurring which take up emergency services and hospital time will be greatly reduced.
So you're merrily working away in your empty building and have an accident, or have an accident on the way home, then you'll be taking up time in an A&E department and exposing yourself to the risk of catching the coronavirus.
Stop looking for what you think are loopholes in the announcements and take the time to understand what is going on and what the intention is.
It's not exactly hard to see the indirect ways that staying at home will help.
The NHS is under major stress at the moment, so as well as reducing the spread of the disease we need to reduce the workload on the NHS in any other way possible.
If everyone stays at home as much as possible the number of accidents occurring which take up emergency services and hospital time will be greatly reduced.
So you're merrily working away in your empty building and have an accident, or have an accident on the way home, then you'll be taking up time in an A&E department and exposing yourself to the risk of catching the coronavirus.
Stop looking for what you think are loopholes in the announcements and take the time to understand what is going on and what the intention is.
If you have a manager I’d assume you are on the cards in which case you’ll be getting 80% of your wages....hardly necessary that you go and work in empty buildings is it?
These are the only sectors that should be at work. Utilities is as close as we get but thats of course for supply to a property (DNO)
I am stopping my guys as of tonight apart from essential necessary works eg loss of power or potentially dangerous situations. Feel we have a duty to do our bit to prevent the spread of this virus to customers, public and staff.
I am stopping my guys as of tonight apart from essential necessary works eg loss of power or potentially dangerous situations. Feel we have a duty to do our bit to prevent the spread of this virus to customers, public and staff.
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I read it the same way as Baddegg. The emphasis was on the travel being necessary to do the job, as oppossed to the job itself.
To be honest, they know a 100% lockdown is impractical, and probably not necessary. Provided a given % of population stay home, then the goal of flattening the curve can be achieved, without bankrupting the self employed, and leaving the homebound populous without power and lighting. I think the bigger issue will be supply of materials. Already had an email from BEW announcing branch closures from today. Stark contrast to the barrage of 'open for business' emails only last week.
To be honest, they know a 100% lockdown is impractical, and probably not necessary. Provided a given % of population stay home, then the goal of flattening the curve can be achieved, without bankrupting the self employed, and leaving the homebound populous without power and lighting. I think the bigger issue will be supply of materials. Already had an email from BEW announcing branch closures from today. Stark contrast to the barrage of 'open for business' emails only last week.
That's why he's closed all the shops! Working from home will doubtless spawn all manner of DIY Projects! I have to admit to embarking on one all of my own, homebrew kit on order to weather the storm!um... don’t most accidents happen in the home?
I know... I get what you’re saying
Anyways I’m off to sleep now, new day tomorrow!.....great discussion and arguments all round and if I’ve annoyed anyone or got anybody’s back I do apologise ?......I blame @littlespark he started it! ?
I’ve called off all my jobs via Facebook now. I’ve got to stay indoors with my wife and kids.
Pray for me!
My wife does sensory classes for babies, and they are going online, so I’m playing as a speilberg director tomorrow. Cameraman, director and editor.
Pray for me!
My wife does sensory classes for babies, and they are going online, so I’m playing as a speilberg director tomorrow. Cameraman, director and editor.
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davesparks
um... don’t most accidents happen in the home?
I know... I get what you’re saying
I dont know the figures, I would imagine a lot of minor accidents happen at home.
It has to be vague because there is no time to write a 5,000 page document defining each and every little tiny detail !!!!!
In the olden days... we had a thing called "Common Sense"... but that was officially banned under the Blair/Brown years when they introduced the concept that you are entitled to do whatever you want, unless there's a specific law against it.
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