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Wheres the best value for £ metal buckle clips to be found in 2019, ive seen the SAREN ones but they are well pricey, and you need to buy the nails for them separately. The Shneider metal clips from screwfix £12 per 100 wtf. Where are the compliant housebashers getting clips for T&E nowdays ??
 
Doesn’t the 18th now insist on metal everywhere not just above doors and escape routes
 

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521.10.202 Wiring systems shall be supported such that they will not be liable to premature collapse in the event of a fire.

NOTE 1: Wiring systems hanging across access or egress routes may hinder evacuation and firefighting activities.
NOTE 2: Cables installed in or on steel cable containment systems are deemed to meet the requirements of this regulation.
NOTE 3: This regulation precludes, for example, the use of non-metallic cable clips or cable ties as the sole means of support where cables are clipped direct to exposed surfaces or suspended under cable tray, and the use of non-metallic cable trunking as the sole means of support of the cables therein.
NOTE 4: Suitably spaced steel or copper clips, saddles or ties are examples that will meet the requirements of this regulation.
 
Well done that man
 

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The Schneider clips are actually quite nice and you don't have to use them along the entire run. Every third clip or something is probably going to be enough.

Personally, I'd like to get some buckle clips but like you @haptism I've not managed to find them at a decent price.
 

This isn't for clipped direct but the clips used in this video are smart (bit pricey) but gives a good explanation of premature collapse and whats required

(spot the upside down sockets :))
 

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I'd struggle to think of too many places in a domestic install where I would need buckle clips really.
 

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I get mine from Saren. Don't use that many of them, so cost isn't really an issue, and their customer service is excellent.
 
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I get mine from Saren. Don't use that many of them, so cost isn't really an issue, and their customer service is excellent.
I thought Sarens only sell buckle's to landlubbers lol
 

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Turnbuckles Tel, quite right.
But I have fancy buckles for my best shoes (swish buckles)
and a whole load of others for normal business (swashbuckles)
 
I'd struggle to think of too many places in a domestic install where I would need buckle clips really.
Only place i can think of is in a garage, don't think I've ever just clipped a cable across someones living room wall.

If we are running surface cabling then its usually mini trunking and those D-Line clips.
 
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Only place i can think of is in a garage, don't think I've ever just clipped a cable across someones living room wall.

If we are running surface cabling then its usually mini trunking and those D-Line clips.
How about a 5m run along a single joist (without going through the joist itself) in a loft with lathe ceiling below, what about that !
 
Lathe :eek: I hardly ever see that stuff anymore. I'd not really thought about it but I guess the fire rating is pretty bad.

Would it still be considered 'premature collapse of the wiring system' if the ceiling below has already collapsed? Obviously fitting a metallic clip is going to be best practice, you can't really go wrong then but it makes me wonder where to draw the line at 'premature collapse'.

Edit: D-Line advertise their clips being used outside of trunking also so I guess thats an option. Idk what the price of them is like, I'm on the books so just book them out at wholesaler :D
 
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If the fabric of the building has collapsed then the collapse of the wiring system could hardly be described as premature.
 
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If the fabric of the building has collapsed then the collapse of the wiring system could hardly be described as premature.
Good point Andy, can I ask where you would consider installing metal buckle clips or similar in domestic ?

Other than clipped direct at high level in a loft; or along a hall, or over a door (which would likely be in trunking anyhow, utilising metal u-clips), I cant think of any other scenarios.
 

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Good point Andy, can I ask where you would consider installing metal buckle clips or similar in domestic ?

Other than clipped direct at high level in a loft; or along a hall, or over a door (which would likely be in trunking anyhow, utilising metal u-clips), I cant think of any other scenarios.
Like you say, up high in a loft might be a good idea, and across a joist in a garage, but otherwise not many cases in domestic work where I would clip direct where the cable would not be supported by the building fabric.
 
Externally prehaps? Cables/conduit above doorways could be liable to collapse and block the escape path
 
Just finished some work in my bosses new house lots of cabling put in loft space and no fire rated fixings employed.
 

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Just finished some work in my bosses new house lots of cabling put in loft space and no fire rated fixings employed.
Suppose you could argue that if the fire was in the loft to melt the clips then the ceiling would have already failed :thumbsup:
 
I feel it is a pointless exercise.
 

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If the loft is not a habitable space I guess cabling, if it were to fall, is falling onto the ceiling ...
 
The entire regulation and its intention, or just the situation you were on about ?
Just the situation in the loft space.
 

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If you are clipping in a loft space, let's look at the situation where we have cables clipped to boards that span the rafters. The usual clips are fine to be hammered in where the support boards are on or very close to the main timbers...hammering halfway betyween the main timbers is hopeless due to the bounce, unless you can get someone to hold a big hammer behind...so, you use buckle clips, substituting small screws for the nails. That way, you can drive the screws in midway, through the clips, and just fold the buckle over the cable...if that makes sense.
 
I've undertaken a couple of domestic re-wires this year and decided to go the whole hog on the fire rated clips, to see the impact on cost and time. To clarify, I used F-Line clips from D-Line. These allow 3/4 cables side by side. Used them every 400mm or where practice. Only used them when traversing ceilings or the loft and I hadn't gone through the joists. Quite time consuming to keep changing from hammer to impact driver when swapping from plastic clip to metal strap. Factor in a couple of boxes of 10x1.5 screws and the overall costs aren't a deal breaker at an additional £30 or so. It's the additional time spent and the ball ache of dragging the impact, screws, 2 lots of clips and the hammer around with you in confined areas. Looking at the metal clips from SF, I reckon £12 for 100 isn't too bad.
 
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