MY PAL HAS STARTED WORK FOR A COMPANY THAT HAS LOTS OF CONTACTS WITH LOCAL HOUSING ASSOCIATIONS ( 1000s of properties) HE IS DOING EICR’s & minor remedials eg cracked socket sets replacement)HE WAS DOING 5 a day at a max push but was told he needs to do 8 a day as a min . The paperwork is done on a pad by engineer at time of test. He has been told that he won’t have a job long if he can’t do 8 properties a day . Surely this can’t be right . The company is NICEIC accredited. Is it even possible to do 8 a day even if 10% of accessories have to be checked .
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Assuming the houses are within walking distance of each other, and the occupant is standing at the door ready to let him in
and any furniture and other obstructions have been moved
and dogs and other household pets have been locked up out of the way
and any children have been locked up out of the way
and the occupant isn't standing over him asking questions but is available to identify where all sockets switches spurs outside lights etc are
No chance.
Either it's the same company or other companies doing H-A properties have the same modus operandi as I'm certain I've seen at least one post similar to this before.
Best advice it to keep plodding away doing the number he (or she) feels happy with, whilst looking for another job.
and any furniture and other obstructions have been moved
and dogs and other household pets have been locked up out of the way
and any children have been locked up out of the way
and the occupant isn't standing over him asking questions but is available to identify where all sockets switches spurs outside lights etc are
No chance.
Either it's the same company or other companies doing H-A properties have the same modus operandi as I'm certain I've seen at least one post similar to this before.
Best advice it to keep plodding away doing the number he (or she) feels happy with, whilst looking for another job.
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Dustydazzler
8 , is that all
I could comfortably knock out 25 a day from the van
I could comfortably knock out 25 a day from the van
That is ridiculous! I wouldn't do more than 2 in a day at a push and that would be a good hard day! You won't find much wrong ar be able to do the required samples in an hour! I would find something else! Wouldn't even consider putting my name on a report unless it had been inspected properly!
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Isn't that a little inappropriate in work...
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Dustydazzler
got to do something to ease the boredom of writing up false eicrs
So the MINIMUM requirement is 8 EICR's / day and the minor remedials, what a totally unrealistic and unreachable target if they are done properly, I doubt you could do it if you used all 24 hours in the day
I'd be walking out and would make sure the NICEIC got to know about it and if declined to do anything about it my next call would be UKAS to ask why the NICEIC is allowed to operate under their accreditation scheme
I'd be walking out and would make sure the NICEIC got to know about it and if declined to do anything about it my next call would be UKAS to ask why the NICEIC is allowed to operate under their accreditation scheme
Yes
Just sign the EICR’s
“Mr M. Mouse”
“Mr M. Mouse”
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GBDamo
Ask him to put the threat in writing or shut the hell* up. If he is stupid enough to do so forward it to the NICEIC.
These bullies actively employ people low in confidence and experience and exploit them.
They're scum because when TSHTF they'll be pointing the finger at the man who signed the cert, a bad apple, rogue, lone wolf who'll be sacked and "lessons have been learnt"
* I think this really warrants the full weight of a f*#k.
These bullies actively employ people low in confidence and experience and exploit them.
They're scum because when TSHTF they'll be pointing the finger at the man who signed the cert, a bad apple, rogue, lone wolf who'll be sacked and "lessons have been learnt"
* I think this really warrants the full weight of a f*#k.
A one-off EICR, when I don’t know the property…. 4 hours, and that’s being quick.
But I know I’ve left it safe
But I know I’ve left it safe
I don't think I could find 8 properties, park, get the gear in and untangle the test leads without losing at least 2 hours of the day and that's if they are vaguely near each other.
Most I've ever done is 2, and that just about felt ok as the first one was fairly simple.
Most I've ever done is 2, and that just about felt ok as the first one was fairly simple.
Huge money was made .Guys on scooters all over london offering bad landlords "good results" so they did not need to spend money .This country could not organise a thing these days .Its a mess
to the OP...
while you are striving to complete 8 a day, your employer is living it up at his golf club, telling his friends that he has all these mugs knocking their pans out and filling his wallet.
You are better than that!
Do what you can do, do it well, and if you get sacked, name and shame.
You have a defence (doing an important job properly), he has none. If you can stand your ground, and can get the other guys in the same situation to do the same, you will win. The employer will go bust...and that alone will mitigate against him exploiting others.
If you can't sleep at night knowing your name is on those certificates, then you are in the right place.
Good luck!
while you are striving to complete 8 a day, your employer is living it up at his golf club, telling his friends that he has all these mugs knocking their pans out and filling his wallet.
You are better than that!
Do what you can do, do it well, and if you get sacked, name and shame.
You have a defence (doing an important job properly), he has none. If you can stand your ground, and can get the other guys in the same situation to do the same, you will win. The employer will go bust...and that alone will mitigate against him exploiting others.
If you can't sleep at night knowing your name is on those certificates, then you are in the right place.
Good luck!
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I'm currently doing 6 heart transplants a day,with a spoon i stole from Witherspoons.....none of my patients have complained...
At least you've got something solid, mine is already half melted, serves me right for being so unsympathetic, cynical, sarcastic and all those emotions people don't like ?
'I will continue to test the installations properly as per my training. I do not want to be culpable for a bad installation with my signature on it and i have a duty under the health and safety executive to ensure i'm doing everything within my remit to protect myself and those who dwell in the properties of the installations i'm testing. This cannot be done properly in 1 hour and normally requires [insert how long it takes you] to do the job properly as per the guidelines.'
Do it in writing.
Then look for another job.
Do it in writing.
Then look for another job.
Please Tell your friend, to carry on doing the work at the pace he sees fit to achieve a nice safe compliant Job, with no stones unturned to complete his EICR's . HE MUST NOT Let ANYONE Bully him into taking shortcuts and producing falsified EICRs. If they Haul him in the office, then he needs to ask them straight "Are you asking me to take shortcuts" because the job isnt possible in the time you are stating. Innocent peoples lives are at risk here, It take some Balls to do it - I have been in the exact position years ago, and i actually told the person who was grilling me "How can you give a window of time for a Job, you are not actually qualified to do, or indeed have any experience of doing".
Thats my thought.
Do the amount you can do properly.
Keep emails, letters messages etc
If boss sacks him then off to employment tribunal and sue them.
If it takes 3 hours per property it takes 3 hours end of.
The payout in court could be good. Also the.damage to them as a business will see that contract quickly.end
Unfortunately you have zero rights until you've been in a company PAYE for at least 2 years, unless the 'constructive dismissal' is on grounds of race, gender, etc.
As A 'Worker' you don't have tribunal protection (as opposed to an Employee, who does. Check your contract), You do however have protection as a Whistleblower Whistleblowing for employees - https://www.gov.uk/whistleblowing
If you are unabke to Whistleblow internally then you would need to do so the the HSE, as there is no 'Prescribed Body' for trades or construction and so HSE would be the best fit.
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Didn't know about this rule.
However in the real world you'd still lose your job. They'd just call it redundancy or 'lack of work'. 'Sorry mate, got nowt on, gonna have to let you go.'
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GBDamo
It's almost as if they just want you to stick your head in long enough to find a few C2s and C1s, fail the EICR then quote for remedial, if you're lucky they'll do the full testing during the remedial (I know).
And if they did you may still be able to take them to tribunal, providing you can prove the work is there (copies of calendars/schedules, jobsheets etc), it's an arse to do but it çan be doable, depends how badly you want to stay there I guess.
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