Ceiling recessed down lighters

[Spike1947]

6! How big is the new sofa?

Ha , not actually been to the house as yet

 

[Spike1947]

I think they want them all along that side of the room

 

[telectrix]

cut a couple of 2 ft. sq. holes in the ceiling and fit 2 of these.

 

[Silly Sausage]

I think the only problem i have with halogen spots is the heat given off them , but not sure if 12v spots give the same heat off ! .

A 50W lamp gives off the same heat be it 12V or 230V
If you must fit halogens, fit 230V jobbies

 

[Wilko]

6 above their lounge - sounds like a heat lamp

 

[telectrix]

A 50W lamp gives off the same heat be it 12V or 230V
If you must fit halogens, fit 230V jobbies

had this argument with a lighting "designer". customer wanted smart lighting, whole house was approx. 120 downlighters. the "designer" specced 12V LEDs each with drivers. my input was "youse going to have problems". customer went with the designer's spec. and now is calling them back in to failures on a regular basis. he called me and asked if i could sort it out permanently. my reply was to rip out the £2000 he'd spent and start again from scratch. was not well received.

 

[littlespark]

Cons.
6 halogens at 35W each (or 50W if you really want to burn your head), that’s 210W.
If they’re sitting under that, they will feel the heat.

Compare that to 6W LED and the energy saved alone will pay for the installation.

Halogens need replaced more frequently.

The heat from halogens can deteriorate the plasterboard ceiling

Pro
As above, halogens don’t flicker as LED do, but that’s almost imperceptable.

Halogens can be dimmed simply with traditional dimmers and newer smart switch dimmers.
LED lamps are still a little hit and miss with suitability.

 

[Toneyz]

I take it you mean the LED version of the old 12v dichroic? might of well had the GU10 type.
Sorry that was a reply to Tel's post 26 not got used to the new forum yet

 

[Spike1947]

OK , just spoke to the client , he said he wanted 240v halogen spots , citing that led's light is not as good as halogen , we have agreed to fit the GU10 fire rated holders and I will show him both types fitted so he can see the difference !

 

[Toneyz]

OK , just spoke to the client , he said he wanted 240v halogen spots , citing that led's light is not as good as halogen , we have agreed to fit the GU10 fire rated holders and I will show him both types fitted so he can see the difference !

Aren't these halogens being phased out now?

 

[Spike1947]

But my original question was about regs for fitting , not whether or not my client wanted halogen or led spots !

 

[littlespark]

The LED light is only as good as the quality of lamp you but.

Cheap Chinese tat - cr*p light
Decent priced from known manufacturer - just as good as halogen

And you have the choice of colour temperature

 

[Spike1947]

Aren't these halogens being phased out now?

No you can still get them readily , checked that first .

 

[littlespark]

But my original question was about regs for fitting , not whether or not my client wanted halogen or led spots !

Quite right. And I think we answered that early on.
Everything else has been personal opinions to a posted statement.
If it’s your clients wishes, then trot on.
You did ask us for reasons. post #17

 

[Spike1947]

Only because #10 said they had reasons

 

[Spike1947]

And I have thanked all that has posted

 

[telectrix]

Aren't these halogens being phased out now?

3 phased out or single phased out?

 

[Toneyz]

3 phased out or single phased out?

Or lined out

 

[Toneyz]

But my original question was about regs for fitting , not whether or not my client wanted halogen or led spots !

These halogens get to approx 200 degrees C. so keep a distance away from anything combustible i.e. wooden joists and other fabric of the building.
Make also sure that there is no other debris ie rubbish that could cause ignition of a fire.
Consideration of building regulations would be a transmission of sound, fire and air through the hole.

 

[Spike1947]

Consideration of building regulations would be a transmission of sound, fire and ait through the hole.
Yes will be getting sealed , fire safe holders .