Code for Armour of Swa not being earthed...

[sparkzalot]

3 core Swa feeding ip rated plastic sockets outdoors.
He 3rd core of the Swa has been used as a cpc but the armour is not connected to earth; but has been made off with metal banjos. Would this warrant a C2 or C3? I'm assuming as the armour isn't extraneous a C3? ?
Thoughts please ...

 

[sparkzalot]

Thanks for the helpful input everyone. No cores were sleeved and u had that as a C3. In two minds about the armour but C2 is the winner!

 

[Flanders]

Thanks for the helpful input everyone. No cores were sleeved and u had that as a C3. In two minds about the armour but C2 is the winner!

That sounds about right to me. to rectify it though you will have to link the armer at each socket if not already connected and connect one end (normaly at the db)to earth

 

[westward10]

What new colours I always use white as the cpc.

 

[Pete999]

What new colours I always use white as the cpc.

I see a darkness coming on, maybe trouble ahead. Are you deliberately being controversial or doe it come naturally? You know exactly what people are trying to discuss, why throw a wobbly in the mix?

 

[Octopus]

I see a darkness coming on, maybe trouble ahead. Are you deliberately being controversial or doe it come naturally? You know exactly what people are trying to discuss, why throw a wobbly in the mix?

I think he's doing it on purpose! Just look at some of his other contributions to threads!

3 core SWA with white - when was that?

 

[Pete999]

I think he's doing it on purpose! Just look at some of his other contributions to threads!

3 core SWA with white - when was that?

Yep correctamundo Murdoch

 

[westward10]

Was only having a jest, my earlier post was serious. Sorry chaps.
White was a phase colour from many years ago I believe.

 

[Carl S]

Was only having a jest, my earlier post was serious. Sorry chaps.
White was a phase colour from many years ago I believe.

White was neutral if you go back far enough.

 

[telectrix]

White was neutral if you go back far enough.

even me and pete don't remember that and we were both apprentices to edison.

 

[westward10]

I don't go that far back but I seem to recall working on installations as a dogsbody in the early eighties and the existing 3 phases were red, white and blue with neutral being black?

 

[davesparks]

White was neutral if you go back far enough.

And green was live!

 

[Pete999]

I don't go that far back but I seem to recall working on installations as a dogsbody in the early eighties and the existing 3 phases were red, white and blue with neutral being black?

Red YELLOW and Blue with Black as the N, or are you extracting the urine?

 

[westward10]

Nope I wasn't trying to get a rise from anyone, I genuinely recall these colour sequences.

 

[davesparks]

Red YELLOW and Blue with Black as the N, or are you extracting the urine?

Nah, even a youngster like me has come across the occasional but of red white and blue

 

[Pete999]

Nah, even a youngster like me has come across the occasional but of red white and blue

Well if that's true and I'm not doubting you, it's a new one on me, you sure it wasn't yellow but a bit faded? or maybe the light was bad and you need to visit Spec Savers, oh they weren't about, or are you extracting it as well ? lol

 

[westward10]

Oh yes just searched an old IET forum and found it under pre 1950s wiring.

 

[davesparks]

Well if that's true and I'm not doubting you, it's a new one on me, you sure it wasn't yellow but a bit faded? or maybe the light was bad and you need to visit Spec Savers, oh they weren't about, or are you extracting it as well ? lol

No I'm being serious, Tony had some great pictures of an old red white and blue open busbar installation which he posted up here when he was still a member.

The times I have come across it have been old imperial three-core insulated and sheathed cables (no earth)

 

[westward10]

Google 1950s wiring Regulations and click on IET forums-cable ages.

 

[Pete999]

No I'm being serious, Tony had some great pictures of an old red white and blue open busbar installation which he posted up here when he was still a member.

The times I have come across it have been old imperial three-core insulated and sheathed cables (no earth)

I know Dave only jestin

 

[Flanders]

And green was live!

i thought white black and green are the American cable colours
And i have seen the old red white and blue three phase colours , and imo the best choice of colours, easy to see what each phase is in the dark.

 

[davesparks]

i thought white black and green are the American cable colours
And i have seen the old red white and blue three phase colours , and imo the best choice of colours, easy to see what each phase is in the dark.

They are, but they use the green for the grounding (earth)

In the days of our 9th edition green was one of the phases of a three phase supply

 

[Flanders]

I know they use green as the earth as ive come across it many times in old domestic installation, but never seen green used as a phase , mind you the 9th addtion is a liitle before my time

 

[davesparks]

I know they use green as the earth as ive come across it many times in old domestic installation, but never seen green used as a phase , mind you the 9th addtion is a liitle before my time

It's long before my time too, but I've got a copy at home all the same.

 

[bobbyroberts]

It's a code 3 . In all the niceic books.

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[davesparks]

It's a code 3 . In all the niceic books.

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What is? The armour not being earthed or the conductors not being identified?

 

[telectrix]

It's a code 3 . In all the niceic books.

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to me a nice book is by lee child, clive cussler, jack higgins etc. any road, you not far from me. welcome to the forum.

 

[bobbyroberts]

The armoured not being earthed is a code 3 in snags and solutions. Same as unidentified wires. Hello by the way .

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[bobbyroberts]

://www.electricalsafetyfirst.org.uk

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[bobbyroberts]

Great website for download s and answers to a lot of questions

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[bobbyroberts]

Great website for answers

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