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I expect this bunch of blokes would not have got into as much bother if they hadnt bothered pretending to be NICEIC members and used the logo.
either way its good to see cowboys fined for shoddy work.
Copied from NICEIC website:-
TRADESMEN FINED FOR DANGEROUS ELECTRICAL WORK THAT PUT LIVES AT RISK
26/04/2019
Builder and electrician found guilty of shoddy work and falsely claiming to be registered
A builder and electrician have been fined for carrying out dangerous electrical work on a domestic property in Dudley.

Kevin John Wakefield, trading as Beta Homes Improvements and Paul Lloyd, trading as P Lloyd Electrical both pleaded guilty at Wolverhampton Magistrates’ Court on 11 April to offences including a banned practice, misleading actions and professional diligence under the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008.

It followed an investigation by Dudley Council’s Trading Standards team and NICEIC.
The court heard how Wakefield was hired to build an extension and install electrics at a house in Dunns Bank, Quarry Bank in 2016. When he finished the job, the householder was plagued with problems which led to an electrical fire.

After complaints from the homeowner, Wakefield asked his ex-brother-in-law Lloyd to check the electrical work and issue the necessary certificate. Lloyd issued an Electrical Installation Certificate displaying the NICEIC logo even though he was not, and never had been, registered with the voluntary body.

The home owner continued to have issues and asked another electrician to test the electrical installation.

The electrician found a host of problems with the installation including no RCD protection on some of the circuits, and one of the circuits being considered so dangerous it had to be disconnected.

The electrician also highlighted various errors, missing information and inconsistencies with the certificate, provided by Lloyd.

NICIEC was alerted to the concerns and contacted Lloyd about the complaint. Lloyd never responded to the allegation so the matter was passed over to Dudley Trading Standards.

Wakefield, of Beeches Close, Kingswinford, was fined £2000 also ordered to pay £1,144 costs, £819 compensation and a victim surcharge of £170.

Lloyd, of Gospel Ash Road, Bobbington, was also fined £2000 and ordered to pay £1,144 costs, £569 compensation and a victim surcharge of £170.

Martin Samuels, Dudley Council’s strategic director for people, said:
“This result should be seen as a warning to any trader tempted to use logos or quality marks that they have no right to use - a practice specifically banned by law.
“In this case, shoddy electrical work could have put the residents’ safety at risk and it is right that these traders have been brought to task.”

Kevan Parker, Managing Director for Certsure which operates the NICEIC and ELECSA brands, added: “We take a dim view of those who pretend to be registered electricians when they are not.

“They pose a danger to the public and we will work with the appropriate authorities to protect those contractors who are legitimately registered and have the quality of their work assessed on a regular basis.
“Anyone thinking about using our logo fraudulently will be caught and dealt with appropriately by the courts.”
 
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telectrix

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obviously niceic are more concerned about fraudulent use of their logo. the bad workmanship is a bonus. when it comes down to bad installs by their legitimately registered members, they don't want to know as losing a member's subs. is a nightmare for them.
 

telectrix

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not to mention the thousands of good installations carried out by likes of me and others that refuse to pay these scams in order to make a living.
 

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not to mention the thousands of good installations carried out by likes of me and others that refuse to pay these scams in order to make a living.
.....Don't say "thousands",Tel....you're just goading the tax-man...;)
 
So they commited fraud/deception and caused a house fire due to their dangerous work and they just got a fine!

As already suggested had they not used a part pee logo they may not have even been fined.

So the moral of story is, if you do dangerous/illegal electrical work that causes a fire don't use a Part Pee logo or you might get fined (what a deterrent). And some on here criticised me for not issuing a minor works cert for replacing a light switch (I despair).
 

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So they commited fraud/deception and caused a house fire due to their dangerous work and they just got a fine!

As already suggested had they not used a part pee logo they may not have even been fined.

So the moral of story is, if you do dangerous/illegal electrical work that causes a fire don't use a Part Pee logo or you might get fined (what a deterrent). And some on here criticised me for not issuing a minor works cert for replacing a light switch (I despair).
You did what?!?
That’s worse than me still using red & black cable
 

telectrix

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You did what?!?
That’s worse than me still using red & black cable
what other colours are available. I'm getting low on red/black stock. can't seem to find anywhere.

just found on ebay. selling for £120- £200 /100m. Jeez.
 
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what other colours are available. I'm getting low on red/black stock. can't seem to find anywhere.

just found on ebay. selling for £120- £200 /100m. Jeez.
I always keep an eye out for anything R/B at the local car boot fare.
Picked up some R/B 1mm and 2.5mm t&e just last weekend.
I am a sucker for anything pre-harmo
 
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I always keep an eye out for anything R/B at the local car boot fare.
Picked up some R/B 1mm and 2.5mm t&e just last weekend.
I am a sucker for anything pre-harmo
You drive a car with leaded petrol, smoke filterless cigs and have an outside khazi ;o)))))
 

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So they commited fraud/deception and caused a house fire due to their dangerous work and they just got a fine!

As already suggested had they not used a part pee logo they may not have even been fined.

So the moral of story is, if you do dangerous/illegal electrical work that causes a fire don't use a Part Pee logo or you might get fined (what a deterrent). And some on here criticised me for not issuing a minor works cert for replacing a light switch (I despair).
Months of time consuming investigative work probably went into proving that case only to result in a punitive conviction. Usual story, when it comes to fraud or acquisitive crime it’s not taken seriously. Probably because all the best fraudsters and con men are in government and financial services. :mad:
 
While I'm glad they were caught, the final sentence sums it all up:

Anyone thinking about using our logo fraudulently will be caught and dealt with appropriately by the courts.
They don't really seem to mention or care about the fact the electrical installation was so poor it led to a fire, nor that the certificate issued was done so without checking any of the work, etc. All they're concerned about is people ripping off their bloody logo. Makes me almost as angry at them as the people that did the shoddy work in the first place.
 

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what other colours are available. I'm getting low on red/black stock. can't seem to find anywhere.

just found on ebay. selling for £120- £200 /100m. Jeez.
Think I might be giving the old store a check......wonder how much for single red or yellow....or R,Y,B 3 core?;)
 
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