Domestic Installer

[Pete999]

I have my flak jacket, Kevlar hat on so fire away, as most of you old timers are aware, I'm an old timer also, maybe it's my age, but I'm confused.com.
The confusion arises over the title of this post, and probably I ought to know the answer, but would be grateful if someone could clear up my conundrum? I hear folks say"there is no such thing as a domestic Installer" "your either an Electrician or you aren't" so please put me at ease, is there such a being as a Domestic Installer? I think not but please clarify. Sorry for the politeness of my post, it's my working for the government that does it.:mickey::elvis::seeya::grinningelf:

 

[7029 dave]

Not sure, I think they can though thats why there is such an outcry from some members, mind you some members think the JIB card means nothing now a days.

Cheers Mike.

 

[Pete999]

what is one of those then?

Well back in the golden days, when Electricians were Electricians and no Domestic Installers, yoy got the C&G "A" Electrician's JIB card, "B" Approved Electrician's card and "C" Technicians card, and if you were a real poser you could apply for the "ELECTRICIANS CERTIFICATE" which at the time, I believe you could put some letters after your name J. Bloggs CGLI Full Tech, yes I did get one and NO I did NOT put those letters after my name.

 

[jimmymac]

Question, can these DI get JIB cards anyone.?

Not up here

 

[MDJ]

To add though Dave I am very proud of My JIB card M8.

 

[dazza1981]

Took me years to get a bloody jib card stating im an electrician and in my opinion it is definately something to be proud of !!!

 

[7029 dave]

To add though Dave I am very proud of My JIB card M8.

So you should be mike, blood sweat and bloody tears to achieve it.!!!

 

[MDJ]

So you should be mike, blood sweat and bloody tears to achieve it.!!!

Yep and in the eighties it was an honour to have one, it meant something, oh how things and time changes sigh

 

[ipf]

That must be why they call us saddo's then, eh.lol!



I used to have mine...for some reason I've had to reapply...what a pain in the butt. And nic aren't much help, only been with them 25 years, ffs

 

[MDJ]

I used to have mine...for some reason I've had to reapply...what a pain in the butt. And nic aren't much help, only been with them 25 years, ffs

I had the same recently. Basically I applied again for my grade card although to be honest I don't need it now, but I earned it so I wanted it again. I had mislead some of my certs etc and the good news was even though it was the case, when I told them my national insurance number they knew all about my history, all my grades etc, they had copies of all my certs and knew my JIB grade, I just paid the 24 quid, signed the form and it came through the post, I was delighted, go for it M8, you earned it, get it back. I only had to send them a copy of my 17th and CSCS cert and the card came straight through, exactly like I remember it but a little more modern. My last card didn't have my picture on it, that was the only difference, chuffed to bits lol

 

[ipf]

I had the same recently. Basically I applied again for my grade card although to be honest I don't need it now, but I earned it so I wanted it again. I had mislead some of my certs etc and the good news was even though it was the case when I told them my national insurance number they knew all about my history, all my grades etc, they had copies of all my certs and knew my grade, I just paid the 24 quid, signed the form and it came through the post, I was delighted, go for it M8, you earned it, get it back. I only had to send them a copy of my 17th and CSC cert and the card came straight through, exactly like I remember it but a little more modern. My last card didn't have my picture on it, that was the only different, chuffed to bits lol

I'm trying and I'll get there, eventually. Glad you managed it, I'll have to try another route it seems.

 

[Pete999]

I would like to try and get mine back but my last one was hand written in script lol

 

[rompling]

I have done the 15 th 16 th and 17th AM1 AM2 2391 etc and a 5 1/2 year apprenticeship I have been doing this for 25 years and running jobs with sometimes 20 sparks underneath me for the last 10 ( sounds wrong on all levels )
The fact when starting out on your own (IMO) to get work you have to join one of the schemes or people won't touch you
I'm a newly accredited Domestic Installer and when I have enough work and jobs to go approved I will .but till then I'm a DI so please don't think every DI is the same

 

[MDJ]

I have done the 15 th 16 th and 17th AM1 AM2 2391 etc and a 5 1/2 year apprenticeship I have been doing this for 25 years and running jobs with sometimes 20 sparks underneath me for the last 10 ( sounds wrong on all levels )
The fact when starting out on your own (IMO) to get work you have to join one of the schemes or people won't touch you
I'm a newly accredited Domestic Installer and when I have enough work and jobs to go approved I will .but till then I'm a DI so please don't think every DI is the same

But you are not a DI, you are a time served professional electrician, your only ignorance is you do not know what a DI is.

 

[ipf]

I have done the 15 th 16 th and 17th AM1 AM2 2391 etc and a 5 1/2 year apprenticeship I have been doing this for 25 years and running jobs with sometimes 20 sparks underneath me for the last 10 ( sounds wrong on all levels )
The fact when starting out on your own (IMO) to get work you have to join one of the schemes or people won't touch you
I'm a newly accredited Domestic Installer and when I have enough work and jobs to go approved I will .but till then I'm a DI so please don't think every DI is the same

True, but you're qualified.... so call yourself qualified. It's only a 'term' that DI....and means nothing, IMO.

edit: beat me to it, to a degree, M.

 

[rompling]

I agree with you MDJ but unfortunately Joe Public knows the term DI ( might not understand it - bit sure I do ) and building control only accepts it ,my apprenticeship and Jib approved card means very little in getting work for yourself
By being a DI I'm bundled with the 5 week wonders until I get approved and go back the commercial world

 

[Pete999]

Here's a story, today I had EDF in to repair my C/H I have a contract with them, OK. Now the guy turns, nice bloke gas fitter by profession, chatting to him about Part Pee 9 I haven't told him I'm an old time sparks, " oh that he said, yes I'm part Peed but I can't touch anything outside the boiler, not anything past the fcu, not his fault, as I said nice bloke, WTF is that all about, I'll tell you Arse covering, that's what it's about, Part Pee not worth the paper it's written on.

 

[7029 dave]

I agree with you MDJ but unfortunately Joe Public knows the term DI ( might not understand it - bit sure I do ) and building control only accepts it ,my apprenticeship and Jib approved card means very little in getting work for yourself
By being a DI I'm bundled with the 5 week wonders until I get approved and go back the commercial world

I am out of contracting, but am pretty sure you don't need to sign up to the scams if you are doing industrial or commercial jobs (or even domestic), ask some of the guys on here they will put you wright.

 

[bigash]

For some, Di is the first rung on the ladder and they go and work for others learning our trade, for others it's a scam route. For me it was the first rung and have moved on to bigger things now. I'm 17th edition qualified and always aspire to be better.

 

[Engineer54]

For some, Di is the first rung on the ladder and they go and work for others learning our trade, for others it's a scam route. For me it was the first rung and have moved on to bigger things now. I'm 17th edition qualified and always aspire to be better.

If that's the only qualification you hold you're still on the first run, as you put it!!

So you've moved on to bigger things have you, so what makes you think you are remotely competent to move on to bigger things then??

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I have my flak jacket, Kevlar hat on so fire away, as most of you old timers are aware, I'm an old timer also, maybe it's my age, but I'm confused.com.
The confusion arises over the title of this post, and probably I ought to know the answer, but would be grateful if someone could clear up my conundrum? I hear folks say"there is no such thing as a domestic Installer" "your either an Electrician or you aren't" so please put me at ease, is there such a being as a Domestic Installer? I think not but please clarify. Sorry for the politeness of my post, it's my working for the government that does it.:mickey::elvis::seeya::grinningelf:

well theres no confusion from me as far as the title is concerned:

THERES NO SUCH THING AS A CHUFFIN `DOMESTIC INSTALLER`......thats it!!

its an out n out lie manufactured, spun out and sold to an unsuspecting audience by scams hell bent on taking cash for fake titles...

so called `domestic installers` are nowt but half way house, half arsed, cowboy wannabees that are nowt but a danger to themselves....and others...

the amout of times that we have had to go round correcting shoddy, incompetent and downrite dangerous `work` carried out by these charlatans....

 

[Meggerman]

If that's the only qualification you hold you're still on the first run, as you put it!!

So you've moved on to bigger things have you, so what makes you think you are remotely competent to move on to bigger things then??

Read his profile ignoramus. He is qualified.

 

[Engineer54]

Read his profile ignoramus. He is qualified.

Is he?? ....Maybe to YOU he is!!

 

[Meggerman]

Is he?? ....Maybe to YOU he is!!

The JIB would grade him "Electrician" with an NVQ3, so it would not be just me. I believe it may just be YOU!!

 

[Engineer54]

The JIB would grade him "Electrician" with an NVQ3, so it would not be just me. I believe it may just be YOU!!

Think you need a just a little more than just an Add-on qualification to get a JIB ELECTRICIANS card thankfully!!!!

 

[Pete999]

well theres no confusion from me as far as the title is concerned:

THERES NO SUCH THING AS A CHUFFIN `DOMESTIC INSTALLER`......thats it!!

its an out n out lie manufactured, spun out and sold to an unsuspecting audience by scams hell bent on taking cash for fake titles...

so called `domestic installers` are nowt but half way house, half arsed, cowboy wannabees that are nowt but a danger to themselves....and others...

the amout of times that we have had to go round correcting shoddy, incompetent and downrite dangerous `work` carried out by these charlatans....

Why thanks for that Glen, I thought when I originally posted that Old Glen would have the answer in his own inimitable way, I agree with you whole wholeheartedly mate, but couldn't quite find the words.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Why thanks for that Glen, I thought when I originally posted that Old Glen would have the answer in his own inimitable way, I agree with you whole wholeheartedly mate, but couldn't quite find the words.

oh its allrite.

consider it part of the service.

 

[bigash]

I'm the first toasty I don't know everything, I learn as well as the rest of us.

We all started somewhere did we not?

I may have a Nvq which some would say technically qualify me as an electrician, but I do not state I see myself as that, bottom line you started somewhere, what's wrong with me doing the same?

I agree these short courses are ridiculous but I also recognise that they are there as an introduction to the industry, I do not think they should allow someone to carry out work without being supervised, but that's my opinion.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I'm the first toasty I don't know everything, I learn as well as the rest of us.

We all started somewhere did we not?

I may have a Nvq which some would say technically qualify me as an electrician, but I do not state I see myself as that, bottom line you started somewhere, what's wrong with me doing the same?

I agree these short courses are ridiculous but I also recognise that they are there as an introduction to the industry, I do not think they should allow someone to carry out work without being supervised, but that's my opinion.

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`short courses` are a load of cac...

they neither offer proper training..nor in any way shape or form whatsoever prepare those that take them for industry.

in effect they are a con...the adverts for these shams make allsorts of extravegent claims..about how you can earn 55-70,000 a year...or tosh to that effect...

i dont know how many more times it needs to be said but:

YOU CANNOT BECOME AN ELECTRICIAN IN 5 WEEKS!!!

IF I HAD MY WAY ALL THESE SHORT COURSES WOULD BE SHUT DOWN....END OF!!

can we please, please get our industry back....

 

[bigash]

I agree totally. I train hard and am still training in effect, I don't agree with short courses allowing people to practice but I feel that people need some training to become interested in our industry.

 

[R G]

They did exactly the same with driving instructor courses , promise everything and then nothing , its all just a money making scam ,,,