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I have my flak jacket, Kevlar hat on so fire away, as most of you old timers are aware, I'm an old timer also, maybe it's my age, but I'm confused.com.
The confusion arises over the title of this post, and probably I ought to know the answer, but would be grateful if someone could clear up my conundrum? I hear folks say"there is no such thing as a domestic Installer" "your either an Electrician or you aren't" so please put me at ease, is there such a being as a Domestic Installer? I think not but please clarify. Sorry for the politeness of my post, it's my working for the government that does it.:mickey::elvis::seeya::grinningelf:
 
As I understand it there is a classification within the NICEIC as a domestic installer,I think it's to do with the Electrical Trainee,however most properly trained electricians would agree that in reality there's no such thing as a DI you're either a spark or you aint.
 
domestic installer is a term invented by part p scheme operators to describe those whom conduct electrical work mainly in a domestic setting.
so yes , it exists , regardless of opinions as to its worthiness.
 
domestic installer is a term invented by part p scheme operators to describe those whom conduct electrical work mainly in a domestic setting.
so yes , it exists , regardless of opinions as to its worthiness.

So because the Scam's (NICEIC) dream up a title for wannabe electricians it's to be accepted is it?

Not on your Nelly!! There is no such animal, only in in the money making minds of those that want to bring this industry down to suit their own benefit!!
 
Domestic Installers are a kind of 'dumbed down' electrician - they work to standard circuit arrangements so don't need to know about any of the difficult bits like cable calcs, phasor diagrams, phase balancing etc.
It's 'electrics by numbers' - lights sockets, cookers, showers and maybe an immersion heater.
 
Domestic Installers are a kind of 'dumbed down' electrician - they work to standard circuit arrangements so don't need to know about any of the difficult bits like cable calcs, phasor diagrams, phase balancing etc.
It's 'electrics by numbers' - lights sockets, cookers, showers and maybe an immersion heater.
yes but what do they do when they get a fault on something and don't have a clue about faultfinding? lol
 
yes but what do they do when they get a fault on something and don't have a clue about faultfinding? lol
They either don't do fault finding, rip out the bit of the circuit which is causing the problem and rewire it, come on here asking how to do it, or get in the van and drive off and not answer the phone if the customer calls back.
 
Thanks for all your replies, I'm sure there will be many more once everyone gets home fro a hard day.
 
Domestic Installers are a kind of 'dumbed down' electrician - they work to standard circuit arrangements so don't need to know about any of the difficult bits like cable calcs, phasor diagrams, phase balancing etc.
It's 'electrics by numbers' - lights sockets, cookers, showers and maybe an immersion heater.

Even that's an insult to a qualified electrician.....

These people are little more than DIYers, that are fooling householders/general public with the blessing of the scam providers, ...that are laughing all the way to the bank!!
 
seems alot of hostility towards a couple of words.
It's not the name, it's what the name represents. It's a bit like calling someone a 'cowboy' only more quantifiable - if the likes of 'Matt Alright BBC Rogue Traders' jump out on a 'cowboy' and shove a camera in their face they run away because they know they're guilty, but a domestic installer probably thinks they're doing a good job because they've been accredited by some national body who took their money and went through the motions of doing an assessment.
It's easy to have a go at someone for not holding the right card or be the member of an organisation, but harder to go through the regs and argue that the work someone has done doesn't comply - the 'cowboy' knows he's not registered with a competent persons' scheme whereas the 'Domestic Installer' thinks the 2 grand he forked out for the day of 2393 makes him Part P and eligible to work on people's homes.
 
I have my flak jacket, Kevlar hat on so fire away, as most of you old timers are aware, I'm an old timer also, maybe it's my age, but I'm confused.com.
The confusion arises over the title of this post, and probably I ought to know the answer, but would be grateful if someone could clear up my conundrum? I hear folks say"there is no such thing as a domestic Installer" "your either an Electrician or you aren't" so please put me at ease, is there such a being as a Domestic Installer? I think not but please clarify. Sorry for the politeness of my post, it's my working for the government that does it.:mickey::elvis::seeya::grinningelf:

Working for the government and unsure where you stand on the issue.......now there's an unusual one.
 
Working for the government and unsure where you stand on the issue.......now there's an unusual one.

I.m sure where I stand, I work for the HMG as an Electrical Technician, did my time contracting for Electrical Contractors, 6 YEARS IT TOOK ME not 5weeks, you understand where I'm coming from, you are either an Electrician or you aint
 
I.m sure where I stand, I work for the HMG as an Electrical Technician, did my time contracting for Electrical Contractors, 6 YEARS IT TOOK ME not 5weeks, you understand where I'm coming from, you are either an Electrician or you aint
Yes quite right same here, 6 and a half years before the firm I worked for allowed any sparks to work alone without supervision, it is just the way it was back then, 4 and a half at tech and on site practical training then 2 years to get approved qualification which meant working alone allowed without any supervision, the 5 weeks today is for domestic only, the trade has been broken up by the NICEIC, but what scares the crap out of me is what if these 5 week short course guys get other ideas and apply to agencies to work in shops, schools factories etc?
 
Yes quite right same here, 6 and a half years before the firm I worked for allowed any sparks to work alone without supervision, it is just the way it was back then, 4 and a half at tech and on site practical training then 2 years to get approved qualification which meant working alone allowed without any supervision, the 5 weeks today is for domestic only, the trade has been broken up by the NICEIC, but what scares the crap out of me is what if these 5 week short course guys get other ideas and apply to agencies to work in shops, schools factories etc?

Don't mate it's scary enough as it is
 
Don't mate it's scary enough as it is
Yes I know, A while back I suggested to be serious a card for short term course guys which would enable them to be qualified to work in the domestic enviroment only and also if they could show 5 jobs during a 12 month period which was actually looked at very closely and if it passed then they could become an electrician. I felt this would be a compromise and stop them working on non domestic jobs until they have had on site experience under supervision. It went down like a lead balloon.
 
It's not the name, it's what the name represents. It's a bit like calling someone a 'cowboy' only more quantifiable - if the likes of 'Matt Alright BBC Rogue Traders' jump out on a 'cowboy' and shove a camera in their face they run away because they know they're guilty, but a domestic installer probably thinks they're doing a good job because they've been accredited by some national body who took their money and went through the motions of doing an assessment.
It's easy to have a go at someone for not holding the right card or be the member of an organisation, but harder to go through the regs and argue that the work someone has done doesn't comply - the 'cowboy' knows he's not registered with a competent persons' scheme whereas the 'Domestic Installer' thinks the 2 grand he forked out for the day of 2393 makes him Part P and eligible to work on people's homes.
Because that's what they get told Adam, it's all a big con and I feel a bit sorry for those that have fallen into the trap. They soon realise that they're not up to scratch when get out there working, there are exceptions of course, it's unfair to brand everyone of them unsafe or incompetant
 
It went down like a lead balloon.

Asking turkeys to vote for Christmas I fear. Even though the point is that Christmas is already here on this one, and you're just asking the turkeys to vote for a better implementation of Christmas.
 
Yes I know, A while back I suggested to be serious a card for short term course guys which would enable them to be qualified to work in the domestic enviroment only and also if they could show 5 jobs during a 12 month period which was actually looked at very closely and if it passed then they could become an electrician. I felt this would be a compromise and stop them working on non domestic jobs until they have had on site experience under supervision. It went down like a lead balloon.

I agree with you , the reason, probably, why your Idea was rejected was the scammers would be shown up for what they are, scammers, although I have worked the last 35 years in a protected job as such I doubt very much if I could get a gold JIB card or whatever, not that I need one now, too bloody old.
 
I.m sure where I stand, I work for the HMG as an Electrical Technician, did my time contracting for Electrical Contractors, 6 YEARS IT TOOK ME not 5weeks, you understand where I'm coming from, you are either an Electrician or you aint

Tongue in cheek, cock.
I'm taking the pi$$ outta the system, not you.
I got my C cert, too.
 
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what is one of those then?

Well back in the golden days, when Electricians were Electricians and no Domestic Installers, yoy got the C&G "A" Electrician's JIB card, "B" Approved Electrician's card and "C" Technicians card, and if you were a real poser you could apply for the "ELECTRICIANS CERTIFICATE" which at the time, I believe you could put some letters after your name J. Bloggs CGLI Full Tech, yes I did get one and NO I did NOT put those letters after my name.
 
That must be why they call us saddo's then, eh.lol!



I used to have mine...for some reason I've had to reapply...what a pain in the butt. And nic aren't much help, only been with them 25 years, ffs
 
I used to have mine...for some reason I've had to reapply...what a pain in the butt. And nic aren't much help, only been with them 25 years, ffs
I had the same recently. Basically I applied again for my grade card although to be honest I don't need it now, but I earned it so I wanted it again. I had mislead some of my certs etc and the good news was even though it was the case, when I told them my national insurance number they knew all about my history, all my grades etc, they had copies of all my certs and knew my JIB grade, I just paid the 24 quid, signed the form and it came through the post, I was delighted, go for it M8, you earned it, get it back. I only had to send them a copy of my 17th and CSCS cert and the card came straight through, exactly like I remember it but a little more modern. My last card didn't have my picture on it, that was the only difference, chuffed to bits lol
 
I had the same recently. Basically I applied again for my grade card although to be honest I don't need it now, but I earned it so I wanted it again. I had mislead some of my certs etc and the good news was even though it was the case when I told them my national insurance number they knew all about my history, all my grades etc, they had copies of all my certs and knew my grade, I just paid the 24 quid, signed the form and it came through the post, I was delighted, go for it M8, you earned it, get it back. I only had to send them a copy of my 17th and CSC cert and the card came straight through, exactly like I remember it but a little more modern. My last card didn't have my picture on it, that was the only different, chuffed to bits lol

I'm trying and I'll get there, eventually. Glad you managed it, I'll have to try another route it seems.
 
I would like to try and get mine back but my last one was hand written in script lol
 
I have done the 15 th 16 th and 17th AM1 AM2 2391 etc and a 5 1/2 year apprenticeship I have been doing this for 25 years and running jobs with sometimes 20 sparks underneath me for the last 10 ( sounds wrong on all levels )
The fact when starting out on your own (IMO) to get work you have to join one of the schemes or people won't touch you
I'm a newly accredited Domestic Installer and when I have enough work and jobs to go approved I will .but till then I'm a DI so please don't think every DI is the same
 
I have done the 15 th 16 th and 17th AM1 AM2 2391 etc and a 5 1/2 year apprenticeship I have been doing this for 25 years and running jobs with sometimes 20 sparks underneath me for the last 10 ( sounds wrong on all levels )
The fact when starting out on your own (IMO) to get work you have to join one of the schemes or people won't touch you
I'm a newly accredited Domestic Installer and when I have enough work and jobs to go approved I will .but till then I'm a DI so please don't think every DI is the same
But you are not a DI, you are a time served professional electrician, your only ignorance is you do not know what a DI is.
 
I have done the 15 th 16 th and 17th AM1 AM2 2391 etc and a 5 1/2 year apprenticeship I have been doing this for 25 years and running jobs with sometimes 20 sparks underneath me for the last 10 ( sounds wrong on all levels )
The fact when starting out on your own (IMO) to get work you have to join one of the schemes or people won't touch you
I'm a newly accredited Domestic Installer and when I have enough work and jobs to go approved I will .but till then I'm a DI so please don't think every DI is the same

True, but you're qualified.... so call yourself qualified. It's only a 'term' that DI....and means nothing, IMO.

edit: beat me to it, to a degree, M.
 
I agree with you MDJ but unfortunately Joe Public knows the term DI ( might not understand it - bit sure I do ) and building control only accepts it ,my apprenticeship and Jib approved card means very little in getting work for yourself
By being a DI I'm bundled with the 5 week wonders until I get approved and go back the commercial world
 
Here's a story, today I had EDF in to repair my C/H I have a contract with them, OK. Now the guy turns, nice bloke gas fitter by profession, chatting to him about Part Pee 9 I haven't told him I'm an old time sparks, " oh that he said, yes I'm part Peed but I can't touch anything outside the boiler, not anything past the fcu, not his fault, as I said nice bloke, WTF is that all about, I'll tell you Arse covering, that's what it's about, Part Pee not worth the paper it's written on.
 
I agree with you MDJ but unfortunately Joe Public knows the term DI ( might not understand it - bit sure I do ) and building control only accepts it ,my apprenticeship and Jib approved card means very little in getting work for yourself
By being a DI I'm bundled with the 5 week wonders until I get approved and go back the commercial world

I am out of contracting, but am pretty sure you don't need to sign up to the scams if you are doing industrial or commercial jobs (or even domestic), ask some of the guys on here they will put you wright.
 
For some, Di is the first rung on the ladder and they go and work for others learning our trade, for others it's a scam route. For me it was the first rung and have moved on to bigger things now. I'm 17th edition qualified and always aspire to be better.
 
For some, Di is the first rung on the ladder and they go and work for others learning our trade, for others it's a scam route. For me it was the first rung and have moved on to bigger things now. I'm 17th edition qualified and always aspire to be better.

If that's the only qualification you hold you're still on the first run, as you put it!!

So you've moved on to bigger things have you, so what makes you think you are remotely competent to move on to bigger things then??
 
I have my flak jacket, Kevlar hat on so fire away, as most of you old timers are aware, I'm an old timer also, maybe it's my age, but I'm confused.com.
The confusion arises over the title of this post, and probably I ought to know the answer, but would be grateful if someone could clear up my conundrum? I hear folks say"there is no such thing as a domestic Installer" "your either an Electrician or you aren't" so please put me at ease, is there such a being as a Domestic Installer? I think not but please clarify. Sorry for the politeness of my post, it's my working for the government that does it.:mickey::elvis::seeya::grinningelf:
well theres no confusion from me as far as the title is concerned:

THERES NO SUCH THING AS A CHUFFIN `DOMESTIC INSTALLER`......thats it!!

its an out n out lie manufactured, spun out and sold to an unsuspecting audience by scams hell bent on taking cash for fake titles...

so called `domestic installers` are nowt but half way house, half arsed, cowboy wannabees that are nowt but a danger to themselves....and others...

the amout of times that we have had to go round correcting shoddy, incompetent and downrite dangerous `work` carried out by these charlatans....
 

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