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nope. i just like them.Have you got shares in JCC, seem to be mentioning them a lot
Yes everyone has been very helpful - thank you.Me thinks the OP has got the picture now;
EICR has been defined a few times, Best Practise Guide 4 posted twice, me Guide 5, discussion on fire safety, down light recommendation & pricing. Who says we don't dish out advice for free
I will wait and see what the electrician says about the reason for replacing them and take from there. I do want to do the right thing, but not waste a lot of money doing so.
Cheers
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Toneyz
Maybe Tel fits them a lot and finds them a good product to install and reliable at a good price, nothing wrong with a good recommendation in this trade.Have you got shares in JCC, seem to be mentioning them a lot
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Toneyz
who employed the electrician and were they recommended/preferred contractor by the agent.Yes everyone has been very helpful - thank you.
I will wait and see what the electrician says about the reason for replacing them and take from there. I do want to do the right thing, but not waste a lot of money doing so.
Cheers
The agent arranged everything and I don't know who it is. I don't trust the agents as far as I can throw them so that's not a good start.
Change the Agent!
That might just be the best advice I have heard all day
That might just be the best advice I have heard all day
Yep the next one will just charge you some more money. Ha.
£1300 to swap 18 downlighters? 
I've been charging my lot £25 a pop.
I may have to reconsider my ethical standing methinks.
I've been charging my lot £25 a pop.
I may have to reconsider my ethical standing methinks.
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Octopus
That might just be the best advice I have heard all day
Just don't let the agent organise the safety certs.....
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Toneyz
I take it that the agent charges you for the electrician's services.
Just to add the guidance for periods between an electrical inspection is 5 years or tenancy change , as for the observation on the down lights i have found in the past that some electrians think the point of a fire ratted fitting is the protect the fabric of the building be damaged by the down light , not that it is to prevent the spread of fire, as others have said those halogen lights give off a lot of heat , if they are the 230 volt lamps you could easily replace them yourself with led lamps which produce very little heat and will save you tenant a couple of quid on the lecky bill
Here is a very decent guide about IEE Electricians Guide to the Building Regulations. It was published by The Institution of Electrical Engineers, London, UK. Boook gives guidance on Electrical Safety of the building regulations 2000 and on other parts of the building regulations.
The IEE Electricians Guide to the Building Regulations - https://www.voltimum.co.uk/articles/iee-electricians-guide-building-0
The IEE Electricians Guide to the Building Regulations - https://www.voltimum.co.uk/articles/iee-electricians-guide-building-0
Indeed, way out of date, especially as the 18th is here and the other BRs that it refers to may also have changed.
It is also a very general GUIDE, like the OSG, (not a regulation) and it has a number of items in there that are done "because that's the way its always been done" and do not have a BS7671 regulation to back them up.
EICR is compulsory for let properties in Scotland.
Malicious rumour had it that nicola was dating a spark.
Letting agents aren't all bad, but many of them are useless, hence the new legislation that they all have to be registered and licensed. Like that'll help?
I never use an agent, do it myself, choose my contractors, keep control of every stage. OK, if you've got multiple properties, that's a different proposition, but if only 1 or 2, it's DIY time. (NOT for the electrics, I mean for the management)
Malicious rumour had it that nicola was dating a spark.
Letting agents aren't all bad, but many of them are useless, hence the new legislation that they all have to be registered and licensed. Like that'll help?
I never use an agent, do it myself, choose my contractors, keep control of every stage. OK, if you've got multiple properties, that's a different proposition, but if only 1 or 2, it's DIY time. (NOT for the electrics, I mean for the management)
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Took me a few minutes to compute that. You should be careful with slanderous statements, might get you in trouble
Took me a few minutes to compute that. You should be careful with slanderous statements, might get you in trouble
You're right Midwest. I apologise unreservedly to Mr. Blind for saying that he had sex with that grotesque minger as the consequence of grossly impaired vision.
As a landlord you are required to ensure that the electrical installation is safe and suitable for use before each letting.
The Landlords and Tenancy Act 1985 requires that the electrical installation in a rented property is safe when the tenancy begins, and maintained in a safe condition throughout the tenancy.
The Housing Act 2004 requires that all hazards are assessed so electrically this means electrical hazards for fixed wiring and portable electrical equipment, including automatic fire detection etc.
The Electrical Equipment (Safety) Regulations 1994 require that if you provide any electrical equipment, boilers, cookers, fires, fridges etc that they are safe when first provided and remain safe.
The only way a landlord can do that is by having an EICR carried out with a Satisfactory result and if applicable PA Testing so I'd not describe an EICR as optional.
It really annoys me when property management companies, estate agents etc charge landlords management fees yet advise the landlord that they don't need to have electrical testing done when as seen from above the opposite is the case.
If a tennant was injured or killed the courts would hold the landlord responsible if they couldn't prove that they had complied with the above acts; the only way to prove they had is by having regular EICRs and PA Testing carried out.
You've hit the nail on the head there, dksanders.
SELECT is currently lobbying the Scottish Government for legislation that would compel landlords to submit written evidence that they have had electrical inspection and testing undertaken on properties that they let, and to also prove that fire, smoke and carbon monoxide alarms are fitted and operational.
https://www.select.org.uk/scottish-government-consult-landlord-registration
Landlords should also be required to submit proof that whoever they hired to carry-out the EICR was suitably qualified and competent to do so.
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