Garden distribution board

[GMES]

Only one problem Glenn, the install is going outdoors.

I'm not explaining the joke Trev, because I know you get it Pi$$taker Lol

 

[ncpitts]

Got to be a wind up.

No, not a wind up, the customer is very serious, my personal thoughts are the same as yours and i thought i would get some intelligent argument as to the silly idea or a fantastic solution, but no, we get daft jokes about carrier bags
I was going to use your expertise to demonstrate how bad the idea is and go with a cab, but not now
.well done sparks

 

[trev]

The carrier bag jokes are the demonstration of how daft the idea is mate

 

[ncpitts]

The carrier bag jokes are the demonstration of how daft the idea is mate

9478 posts and carrier bags are the sum total of wisdom.
The customer is a very intelligent man so if an IP68 box is placed in another and then another (which what he suggested) do you have any scientific reason why not as I'm struggling,I know it's not right but am having difficulty arguing with his logic)

 

[Octopus]

Why does he think a cu is required anyway?

 

[Silly Sausage]

Hi all,
I would like to pick your collective brains by asking if any of you has installed a DB/consumer unit in a garden or outside which is flat and flush to the ground . This one is by a lake and needs to be flat. It will be sat in grass/lawn
Ideas or solutions please

Ta lots

Nigel

It's a rediculous idea in the first place, you know that, but you didn't offer up a (equally daft) different solution.

Offer up some ideas yourself for discussion.

 

[edexlab]

I heard of a similar customer idea years ago where they wanted a Db and meters hidden in a courtyard for supplies to separate dwellings in a barn conversion fed from the Dno supply in the main house located 15 m away where the owner lived but didn't want the private meters etc in his property
The idea was to have an underground block built cupboard big enough for the equipment and room for access this was to be hidden under some kind of trapdoor, it was scrapped in the end as they didn't want the costs of building it and ensuring it was tanked and that there was adequate drainage and a pump setup to prevent flooding
Maybe something like this could be proposed, done properly it would be no different than having a db in a cellar but I doubt the cost would make it viable
We didn't do the work and what actually happened in the end was a posh raised flower bed with a waterproofed cupboard accessible from the side facing away from the barn.

 

[trev]

The carrier bags thing are what is known as a p1$$ take mate, it's quite common in the construction trades when someone comes up with a daft idea no matter who that person is.
Well, I'd be thinking about condensation for starters.
Then If you drilll a hole to eradicate that you've completely buggered up that IP68 rating so the box cannot be buried

 

[Silly Sausage]

9478 posts and carrier bags are the sum total of wisdom.
The customer is a very intelligent man so if an IP68 box is placed in another and then another (which what he suggested) do you have any scientific reason why not as I'm struggling,I know it's not right but am having difficulty arguing with his logic)

Sod the 9400, them spare 78 posts have more wisdom in them than more than 100,000 other posts on here.

Your customer may be a very intelligent man, but how much does he actually know about electrical installation?

 

[not clever]

Either place a small brick built box into a ha-ha or hide it in some folliage then put your cu inside it......
One of these?
Products | ESR ENTERPRISE

Infact how about a ha-ha with a wall & put a meter cabinet in the wall and a cu in the cabinet.

 

[ncpitts]

It's a rediculous idea in the first place, you know that, but you didn't offer up a (equally daft) different solution.

Offer up some ideas yourself for discussion.

So because I don't post an idea you won't, 6000 posts for that. Come on, think , yes it maybe a ridiculous idea but they said that about the Wright brothers. Is this so difficult , it's crazy admittedly but is it impossible ??

 

[Engineer54]

9478 posts and carrier bags are the sum total of wisdom.
The customer is a very intelligent man so if an IP68 box is placed in another and then another (which what he suggested) do you have any scientific reason why not as I'm struggling,I know it's not right but am having difficulty arguing with his logic)

Yep, he sounds like a very intelligent man indeed!! .....NOT!!

So how would you seal the cable entries into the outer and inner boxes and exactly how long do you expect them to be water tight?? Then how are you going to overcome condensation, which is almost a certainty with the box(es) being sunk into the ground??

 

[Silly Sausage]

So because I don't post an idea you won't, 6000 posts for that. Come on, think , yes it maybe a ridiculous idea but they said that about the Wright brothers. Is this so difficult , it's crazy admittedly but is it impossible ??

You're the man on site, I can't see anything from here.
Give us some ideas, it's very easy to post some pictures up!

Don't worry about the urine taking!

 

[ncpitts]

Yep, he sounds like a very intelligent man indeed!! .....NOT!!

So how would you seal the cable entries into the outer and inner boxes and exactly how long do you expect them to be water tight?? Then how are you going to overcome condensation, which is almost a certainty with the box(es) being sunk into the ground??

Excellent! condensation, hasn't crossed my mind, now that's what I was after !
Cheers buddy

 

[davesparks]

Why does the CU need to be in the middle of the garden in the first place? What is preventing it being installed in the nearest building and cables running from there to whatever it is feeding?

 

[trev]

You seem very hung up on post counts mate.
Your options are fairly limited,
1 Use the CU in the property or install a new/secondary one and run SWAs to the various places in the garden
2 Build a substantil structure hidden somewhere in the garden to hide a CU, then run SWas to the various places in the garden
3 Run SWA to feed a new CU in a weatherproof box which will be visible because of it's proximity to the places where power is to be used
See post #28 re the condensation thing.

 

[davesparks]

So because I don't post an idea you won't, 6000 posts for that. Come on, think , yes it maybe a ridiculous idea but they said that about the Wright brothers. Is this so difficult , it's crazy admittedly but is it impossible ??

It is not impossible to physically do, but what you need to consider is whether it should be done or not.
There are a few regulations that you can use to knock this idea into touch!

 

[ncpitts]

Either place a small brick built box into a ha-ha or hide it in some folliage then put your cu inside it......
One of these?
Products | ESR ENTERPRISE

Infact how about a ha-ha with a wall & put a meter cabinet in the wall and a cu in the cabinet.

Ha-ha ? 25 years and not heard of that what is it ?

 

[edexlab]

I had to google it
Its basically a retaining wall
Landscape gardening is definitely not my strong point!

 

[trev]

Ha-ha ? 25 years and not heard of that what is it ?

It's a ditch. Landowners used to have field walls built in them so they'd have an unimpeded view. You'd come across one and be surprised and shout "Haha" the name stuck