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Hello All,

I am hoping to find a recommendation from members for a small tube of adhesive that is suitable for gluing Burglar Alarm detector cables to UPVC Window frames and Door architraves.

I don`t want to buy a Hot Glue gun and glue sticks as I only have 4 cables to run down quite detailed frames / door architraves.

Plus I have been told that although that type of adhesive does work when running the cables it does not hold them long term ?

I have thought about white Silicone mastic but only if there is no suitable small tube adhesive choice.

I have Googled: `Security cable adhesive` - `Security accessories glue` - Electrical cable adhesive / glue` - but I was finding adhesives which seemed to be designed to be used when jointing cables.

Can Members recommend a suitable adhesive - in a small tube hopefully ?

I am having to hard wire some Window / Door Magnetic contacts to my Home`s existing Alarm system because the Control box has stopped being able to receive the signals from my Wireless Detectors.

Previously the detectors were adhered to the Windows and Doors with strong hook & loop pads and there were only very short pieces of Bell wire running between the Wireless detector and the Magnetic contact on the Window frames / Door architraves.

Thanks in advance for any help / recommendations.

Chris
 
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What about very slimline adhesive trunking?
It will look like it’s part of the window frame

Hello Charlie,

Thanks for your reply.

The Alarm cables will be coming down from the ceiling and having to cross over quite a detailed UPVC frame `moulding` on the frames / door architraves.

Chris
 
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White tec 7 will hold long term. I presume you don't want to staple?
Hello Matthewd29,

Thanks for your reply.

I am not `penny pinching` but I am hoping to find an adhesive in a small tube because the entire length of Alarm detector cable that I will need to glue around the Window frames and Door architraves is only approximately 60 cms.

The Alarm cables will be coming down from the ceiling and having to cross over quite a detailed UPVC frame `moulding` on the frames / door architraves.

Chris
 

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Hi chris. Could it be more feasible to locate (repair) the panel fault.....maybe even replace the panel, if it's getting on a bit.
 
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Superglue ?
Hello Dustydazzler,

Thanks for your reply.

I would have thought that Superglue would melt the pvc insulation on the Alarm cable - what do You / other Members think ?

Unusually for me I don`t have any Superglue at the moment - I will have to get some and try it on the cable.

Chris
 
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Hi chris. Could it be more feasible to locate (repair) the panel fault.....maybe even replace the panel, if it's getting on a bit.

Hello ipf,

I am guessing that the problem is the Alarm Control Box RF Receiver - as I am not at all experienced in `Electronics` I would not have the `PCB soldering expertise` or the `precise manual dexterity` to go about replacing that - even IF I could source the exact component to replace it.

If it could be replaced all the detectors connected within the Control Box would have to be un-wired and also the Siren Box cable / Siren Box cable protector and the 235 volt supply disconnected - the Control Box removed from the wall to be worked on.

Far too much `messing about` compared to gluing some Alarm cable to UPVC architraves.


I think that I have seen it within the Control Box / on a fairly big PCB and it definitely does not look like a `DIY replaceable component`.

With the exception of replacing / hard wiring detectors my Home Alarm system is far too old for any Control Box spares to be available - I believe that the Manufacturers [Yale] considered it to be `obsolete` about 10 years ago regarding no more spares or wireless detectors being available.

Apart from various problems with detectors failing and RF Interference issues in the past the Alarm has worked for about 20 Years - I am guessing that is pretty good for any Domestic Alarm system ?

During those years usually to either overcome RF Interference or replacing malfunctioning / unavailable Wireless detectors I have had to hard wire various detectors to the Control box.

On this occasion it seems that the Alarm Control Box RF receiver has malfunctioned so I now have to get rid of the remaining Wireless Window and Door detectors and hard wire magnetic contacts to available connections in the Control Box.

It would be nice to have a new House Alarm Control Box but can You really recommend that regarding the fact that I am hoping to solve my Alarm system problem with a £5.00 or £6.00 tube of glue ?

Chris
 
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Hi,how much damage to the PVC frame,can be tolerated?

Hello PEG,

No damage at all - anything done to the `moulding` would ruin it - including trying to remove it / channel behind it etc.

What had You in mind ?

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Someone likes using ‘inverted commas’ although those are actually apostrophes and not “inverted commas”

What about a small drill bit up behind the fancy bit of moulding?
 

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Hello Matthewd29,

Thanks for your reply.

I am not `penny pinching` but I am hoping to find an adhesive in a small tube because the entire length of Alarm detector cable that I will need to glue around the Window frames and Door architraves is only approximately 60 cms.

The Alarm cables will be coming down from the ceiling and having to cross over quite a detailed UPVC frame `moulding` on the frames / door architraves.

Chris
Ah I see, maybe reseal the shower tray with the remainder and kill 2 birds with 2 stone? Lol
 

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Hello ipf,

I am guessing that the problem is the Alarm Control Box RF Receiver - as I am not at all experienced in `Electronics` I would not have the `PCB soldering expertise` or the `precise manual dexterity` to go about replacing that - even IF I could source the exact component to replace it.

If it could be replaced all the detectors connected within the Control Box would have to be un-wired and also the Siren Box cable / Siren Box cable protector and the 235 volt supply disconnected - the Control Box removed from the wall to be worked on.

Far too much `messing about` compared to gluing some Alarm cable to UPVC architraves.


I think that I have seen it within the Control Box / on a fairly big PCB and it definitely does not look like a `DIY replaceable component`.

With the exception of replacing / hard wiring detectors my Home Alarm system is far too old for any Control Box spares to be available - I believe that the Manufacturers [Yale] considered it to be `obsolete` about 10 years ago regarding no more spares or wireless detectors being available.

Apart from various problems with detectors failing and RF Interference issues in the past the Alarm has worked for about 20 Years - I am guessing that is pretty good for any Domestic Alarm system ?

During those years usually to either overcome RF Interference or replacing malfunctioning / unavailable Wireless detectors I have had to hard wire various detectors to the Control box.

On this occasion it seems that the Alarm Control Box RF receiver has malfunctioned so I now have to get rid of the remaining Wireless Window and Door detectors and hard wire magnetic contacts to available connections in the Control Box.

It would be nice to have a new House Alarm Control Box but can You really recommend that regarding the fact that I am hoping to solve my Alarm system problem with a £5.00 or £6.00 tube of glue ?

Chris
Just thinking...…..what's the point of having a wireless detector system if you're hard wiring it all?
….all be it bit by bit, when something fails.
 

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Hello All,

I am hoping to find a recommendation from members for a small tube of adhesive that is suitable for gluing Burglar Alarm detector cables to UPVC Window frames and Door architraves.

I don`t want to buy a Hot Glue gun and glue sticks as I only have 4 cables to run down quite detailed frames / door architraves.

Plus I have been told that although that type of adhesive does work when running the cables it does not hold them long term ?

I have thought about white Silicone mastic but only if there is no suitable small tube adhesive choice.

I have Googled: `Security cable adhesive` - `Security accessories glue` - Electrical cable adhesive / glue` - but I was finding adhesives which seemed to be designed to be used when jointing cables.

Can Members recommend a suitable adhesive - in a small tube hopefully ?

I am having to hard wire some Window / Door Magnetic contacts to my Home`s existing Alarm system because the Control box has stopped being able to receive the signals from my Wireless Detectors.

Previously the detectors were adhered to the Windows and Doors with strong hook & loop pads and there were only very short pieces of Bell wire running between the Wireless detector and the Magnetic contact on the Window frames / Door architraves.

Thanks in advance for any help / recommendations.

Chris
My local hardware also does bubbles for spirit levels and sparks for an angle grinder
 
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Post photos up as glueing cables to a plastic window surround should make the electrician on here with a level of standard and workmanship weep...........
 

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Get some sticky back cable or
wrap the cable up in double sided tape and then easily apply
 
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Sticky back cable holders or cable tie pads
Hello again Charlie,

Thanks for your suggestion.

The UPVC Window frames and Door architraves are white and there are blinds that don`t cover the corners of the frames or architraves.

I have some of the cable tie pads that You described they would look terrible stuck to the white UPVC - they might be a possibility where curtains would be covering the top corners of the frames / architraves.

Chris
 
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Post photos up as glueing cables to a plastic window surround should make the electrician on here with a level of standard and workmanship weep...........
Hello SWD,

I have never seen any better way to run Alarm cables to UPVC Windows and Doors than gluing them around the shape of the `moulding`.

That is what every Alarm fitter that I have ever seen did - although I realise that is no reason to think that it would be the method used by a good Electrician I would be interested in why You seem to be stating that it is a ridiculous idea ?

Drilling a hole behind the moulding / frame / architrave without causing damage would not be worth trying compared to me gluing the cables.

Causing damage that would then be visible and could cost quite a lot of money to rectify is not an option that I would want to do.

Although as You might have noticed I am not an Electrician [below my messages] I am a `Technical Tradesman` and I do everything in my trades to the highest possible standard of workmanship - I would be interested in finding out what an Electrician would do without ANY chance of causing damage to the UPVC ?

What would You / `an Electrician with a level standard and workmanship` do that was guaranteed to NOT cause any damage ?

Chris
 
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Spend more do the job as it should be done. Perfection is the key not harf measures and it doesn't matter what it costs as a cable glued to a plastic window would annoy the hell out of me but then again I don't think I would ever live i a house with plastic windows, it like having a blow up doll as a "wife".
 
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Do you have house insurance?
Covered for break ins?
If so do you think the insurance company will pay out if burglars get in?
Hello again Charlie,

I have only just seen your message above after replying to one of your other replies.

I do have Home Insurance / Contents Insurance plus `good doors & windows` - high standard locks - CCTV and an Alarm.

I am sure that You know - the whole idea of having a Burglar Alarm is that hopefully when it goes off the Burglars immediately go away without having spent enough time [if any] to find and steal your valuables.

Why would you question whether I had Insurance and whether they would pay out on a thread that is asking about gluing Alarm detector cables to UPVC Window frames and Door architraves ?

Were You trying to suggest that if I have Home Insurance I don`t need a Alarm ?

Having your Home burgled and then claiming on your Insurance is that last thing that anyone would want.

Chris
 

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The reason I mentioned home insurance;
If the worst was to happen and your house was burgled, based on the age of your burglar alarm and lack of professional maintenance then I’m certain that the insurance would have just cause to not pay out.
 

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Hi Chris
The reason I mentioned home insurance;
If the worst was to happen and your house was burgled, based on the age of your burglar alarm and lack of professional maintenance then I’m certain that the insurance would have just cause to not pay out.
Fair point. It depends if he stated to the insurance company that he had an alarm installed.
 
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Spend more do the job as it should be done. Perfection is the key not harf measures and it doesn't matter what it costs as a cable glued to a plastic window would annoy the hell out of me but then again I don't think I would ever live i a house with plastic windows, it like having a blow up doll as a "wife".
SWD - You have not told me what YOU would do.

IF You had read my first couple of messages on this you would know why this is having to be done.

IF I was doing this before the UPVC Window and Door trims were being fitted I would have made sure that I had the cables put behind the mouldings.

Regarding your comments related to my Home / You would not live in a Home with plastic windows - my UPVC Windows & back door are of a high quality specification.

My House is in a very desirable area of South London - where similar homes could not be bought for less than a Million pounds.

Please don`t bother to reply to me again.

Chris
 
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SWD - You have not told me what YOU would do.

IF You had read my first couple of messages on this you would know why this is having to be done.

IF I was doing this before the UPVC Window and Door trims were being fitted I would have made sure that I had the cables put behind the mouldings.

Regarding your comments related to my Home / You would not live in a Home with plastic windows - my UPVC Windows & back door are of a high quality specification.

My House is in a very desirable area of South London - where similar homes could not be bought for less than a Million pounds.

Please don`t bother to reply to me again.

Chris
I will reply, I asked for you to post a photo up so that we would be able to help you, South London is not desirable and if you can afford to live in a £1M house than you can afford to do the ob properly also if it was a nice area you would not need an alarm to start with, Peckham and Streatham maybe.....

It's your loss as I have done work like this in the past.

Bye.
 
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Hi Chris
The reason I mentioned home insurance;
If the worst was to happen and your house was burgled, based on the age of your burglar alarm and lack of professional maintenance then I’m certain that the insurance would have just cause to not pay out.

Hello Charlie,

Sorry that I misunderstood your comments regarding my Insurance.

Because I fitted my Home`s Burglar Alarm myself 20 Years ago I have not informed my Insurance Company that I have one.

I know that if one does inform their Insurers that part of the `Security` of their Home relies upon a Burglar Alarm the Insurers would expect to be able to ask for proof of regular maintenance - so as my Alarm is a `DIY Alarm` I have not informed them about it.

Thanks for your comments as they might have been pertinent to my Insurance.

Chris
 
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I will reply, I asked for you to post a photo up so that we would be able to help you, South London is not desirable and if you can afford to live in a £1M house than you can afford to do the ob properly also if it was a nice area you would not need an alarm to start with, Peckham and Streatham maybe.....

It's your loss as I have done work like this in the past.

Bye.
Hello SWD,

I guarantee You that you could NOT do anything with the Alarm cables better than I could !

I will not identify where I live - but regarding your comments about South London - have you ever heard of Dulwich ?

Other `desireable` South London areas exist.

Chris
 
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Hello SWD,

I guarantee You that you could NOT do anything with the Alarm cables better than I could !

I will not identify where I live - but regarding your comments about South London - have you ever heard of Dulwich ?

Other `desireable` South London areas exist.

Chris
I know Dull Wich, mate off mine had a place in a converted Victorian Hospital nice flat he then moved to Heston......

I bet you £10k I could....... otherwise what would you be asking for advice on here........
 

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I know Dull Wich, mate off mine had a place in a converted Victorian Hospital nice flat he then moved to Heston......

I bet you £10k I could....... otherwise what would you be asking for advice on here........
Give it a rest. Jeez.
 

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This thread has got a bit like when the fish makes Rodger the alien and Steve,watch that "history of the bicycle" video...
 
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Just thinking...…..what's the point of having a wireless detector system if you're hard wiring it all?
….all be it bit by bit, when something fails.

Hello again ipf,

Are You seriously suggesting that over the last 20 years when I had detectors that were either being made useless by some kind of RF Interference or had malfunctioned in another way [years apart] I should have replaced the entire Alarm system rather than solving the problems by wiring a new detector to the Alarm Control Box which has the facility to connect 16 x wired detectors ?

About 5 years after I bought the Alarm system and many extra detectors and remote controls etc. the wireless detectors for my system were no longer available from the manufacturer and although they had developed quite a few newer wireless Alarm systems none of the newer wireless detectors were compatible with my Alarm model.

I had not known at the time that the model of my Alarm system had already been on sale for about 5 years so 5 years after I purchased it the manufacturers classified it as `obsolete`.

I would never install a Wireless Alarm system in my Home again - and I would actively dissuade anyone that I know to not install one.

Every problem I have had has been with a wireless detector - and now the Control Box `Wireless / RF receiver` has malfunctioned terminally.

Chris
 

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The texacom wireless burglar alarm systems are good though and I do recommend them..
They use what is known as a ricochet mesh, all the devices are used to create a communication mesh rather than the old point to point type.
 
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I know Dull Wich, mate off mine had a place in a converted Victorian Hospital nice flat he then moved to Heston......

I bet you £10k I could....... otherwise what would you be asking for advice on here........

SWD - You sound like the type of `Tradesman` that would `take a chance` and try drilling behind the UPVC mouldings - irrespective of the possibility of causing damage.

Regarding your silly comment - I did NOT post this thread asking for advice on HOW to run the Alarm cables to the Window and Door detectors - I asked for recommendations on an adhesive to use.

I have been a Tradesman in the Heating, Plumbing & Gas Industries for over 50 years not including my Apprenticeship and IF there was a better method of running these cables to the detectors I guarantee that I could carry it out as well as any Electrician.

As You are obviously intent on `winding me up` I will make this my last reply to You.

Chris

P.S: I apologise to other Members for my previous comments about my House - I was not bragging about the value - I had been irritated by Member SWD and by the time I regretted my remark it was too late to Edit it out.

Chris
 
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The texacom wireless burglar alarm systems are good though and I do recommend them..
They use what is known as a ricochet mesh, all the devices are used to create a communication mesh rather than the old point to point type.
Hello Charlie,

That is useful information for other Members / other readers of this thread - it is always good to get recommendations from an Electrician / someone who has `hands on` experience with something like an Alarm system.

When I manage to run the new Alarm cables to the Window and Door magnetic contact detectors I will then have a `fully wired` system so then when I have to replace it all of the wiring will be in place.

Thanks again for all of your replies.

Chris
 
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Superglue or Mitre Fast would be fine.
Hello Resu,

Thanks for your reply.

Superglue has been suggested by another Member earlier in this thread but I am waiting to get some so that I can try it on the Alarm cable insulation to ensure that it does not damage / melt it.

Chris
 
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I suppose I only worked at the V+A and Natural History museums running and hiding cables in various places but then again I know nothing so I am out but as a parting shot check out Tiger Seal or the 3M range of adhesives.
 

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can buy a glue gun with a few sticks for under £20. i done same with 10m of alarm cable back in 1984, still working, stuck to the pvc conservatory.
 
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I suppose I only worked at the V+A and Natural History museums running and hiding cables in various places but then again I know nothing so I am out but as a parting shot check out Tiger Seal or the 3M range of adhesives.
Hello again SWD,

I did not write that You know nothing.

Your attitude seemed to not be taking into consideration that I am also a `Technical Tradesman` and I would know what was possible regarding the Window frames and Door architraves for terminating the Alarm cables to the new Magnetic contact detectors in my own Home.

Don`t You think that a fellow Tradesman would be able to assess whether there was a better way to get the Alarm cables that I describe in this thread from a wall surface to the detectors other than gluing them to the Window and Door mouldings in their own Home ?

Although there is quite a lot of detail / a few layers on the Window frames and Door architraves they are not thick - the bottom of the thinnest section of the mouldings where it meets the Windows / Doors is no more than about 8mm - that piece is 35mm high.

The only way that I could run the cables to the detectors without gluing them to the frames and architraves would be to get a Window fitter to remove them [not a DIY job and the pieces would not be reusable] and even then because of this 35mm high x 8mm thickness lower section I would not have any room to channel out a new piece - the Alarm cable measures slightly over 5mm.

I know that you asked for photos and I did take a couple to post but because of the brilliant white of the UPVC frames and architrave - the low energy lighting in the rooms and the limitations of my old `non smart` mobile phone camera the detail / thin lower section was not showing in the photos - also I find that I lose detail from photos when I transfer them to my Computer and then make a file.

I have also noticed that attaching a photo to a message on here also seems to lose definition - a combination of all of this meant that posting photos would have been no help - they would seem to just show just white frames / architraves.

Thank You for recommending the adhesives.

Chris
 

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Spend more do the job as it should be done. Perfection is the key not harf measures and it doesn't matter what it costs as a cable glued to a plastic window would annoy the hell out of me but then again I don't think I would ever live i a house with plastic windows, it like having a blow up doll as a "wife".
thought you did. being as how space is limited down in london town, makes sense. :eek::eek::eek:.
 
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can buy a glue gun with a few sticks for under £20. i done same with 10m of alarm cable back in 1984, still working, stuck to the pvc conservatory.

Hello telectrix,

Thanks for your message and for recommending the Glue gun & Glue sticks - especially your mention that your Alarm cables are still adhered after 35 years.

I mentioned in my original post on this thread that I knew about using a Hot Glue gun and Glue sticks which is what I have seen Alarm fitters use over the years.

It was not the cost of these that made me ask about using just a small tube of a recommended adhesive it was because I would have no further use for a Glue gun and Glue sticks.

I thought that I might have been lucky enough to get a recommendation from a Member who had perhaps needed to glue one or two Alarm cables as I had described.

I am definitely a person who has the mindset `use the correct tools and materials for the work` - but in this case I hoped that there would be a suitable adhesive in small tube.

I only have 4 x Alarm cables to run - the length of each being glued to the UPVC frames / architraves is only about 150mm.

I know that white silicone would work but I wondered whether it would be too messy even with a very thin bead regarding cleaning off the slight excess from around the cables on the frames and architraves - I don`t want to have to use something to scrape off mastic on the UPVC.

Thanks again.

Chris
 
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can buy a glue gun with a few sticks for under £20. i done same with 10m of alarm cable back in 1984, still working, stuck to the pvc conservatory.
Lol you worried about being burgled, pot, kettle, black, calling lol........
 
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thought you did. being as how space is limited down in london town, makes sense. :eek::eek::eek:.
My house is fine for me, not too large not too small at about 100m2 soon to be extended though as another development potential, may need some "fittings" and cables so will PM you with my order so you can rad the wholesalers........ ;o)))))
 

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another alternative is to bead some CIS white compound to the pvc, the stick the cables on. after, then apply another bead over thee cable/s.
 

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another alternative is to bead some CIS white compound to the pvc, the stick the cables on. after, then apply another bead over thee cable/s.
This has been going on so long I'm surprised no ones come up with a new invention...….capping and casing, maybe.
 
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This has been going on so long I'm surprised no ones come up with a new invention...….capping and casing, maybe.

Hello again ipf,

Another `Wind Up` ?

How could anyone use what You are suggesting to run Alarm cables around the shape of Window frames and Door architraves.

What I keep describing cannot possibly be being constantly misunderstood by the Professional Tradesmen / Tradeswomen on here.

Chris
 

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Hello again ipf,

Another `Wind Up` ?

How could anyone use what You are suggesting to run Alarm cables around the shape of Window frames and Door architraves.

What I keep describing cannot possibly be being misunderstood by the Professional Tradesmen / Tradeswomen on here.

Chris
To be fair Chris, without photos it might not be easy for people to picture it. I know you mentioned you were having trouble getting decent photos, but it might help to put them on here.

I don't think ipf is trying to wind you up.
 
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To be fair Chris, without photos it might not be easy for people to picture it. I know you mentioned you were having trouble getting decent photos, but it might help to put them on here.

I don't think ipf is trying to wind you up.
Hello DPG,

Thanks for your messages.

The reason why I think that comments like Members ipf and SWD have been making are very likely to be `wind ups` is how can technically minded Electricians misunderstand my descriptions about UPVC Window frames and Door architraves ?

Irrespective of the fact that there are various moulding shapes / frame profiles made from various pieces of UPVC - different on most windows and doors dependant on the fitter / Window company - I have described that the lowest section is only 8mm thick x 35mm high.

I described that thin lower section because it could not accept a hole drilled to thread the Alarm cable through.

Chris
 

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whatever method you use, to comply with current regs., the cable needs metal fixings to prevent premature sagging. some galv. tray with metal straps would comply even if it looked horrendous. as it's an alarm system, why not upgrade it to a wireless detector alarm like the Risco |Lightsys or Agility? also gives remote access from moby via app.
 
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whatever method you use, to comply with current regs., the cable needs metal fixings to prevent premature sagging. some galv. tray with metal straps would comply even if it looked horrendous. as it's an alarm system, why not upgrade it to a wireless detector alarm like the Risco |Lightsys or Agility? also gives remote access from moby via app.

Hello again telectrix,

Thanks for your message.

The Alarm detector cables are 12 volt so I cannot imagine that they are covered by the Electrical Regulations regarding clipping etc. ?

My Alarm system has been installed for 20 years - I am having to wire up some Door and Window Magnetic contacts because the Alarm Control box RF Receiver has failed and no longer receives the wireless / RF signals from the remaining wireless detectors on my system.

As I mentioned in previous messages I have gradually had to `hard wire` new detectors to the Alarm Control Box to replace the systems wireless detectors as malfunctioned over the years.

When I manage to run the cables around the Window frames and Door architraves and connect the Magnetic contacts my Alarm will finally have been fully changed from the `Wireless Burglar Alarm` that I bought and installed 20 years ago to a `Wired Burglar Alarm`.

Finding a £5.00 or £6.00 [guess] small tube of adhesive suitable for gluing the 150mm sections of the cables around the frame / architrave profiles will obviously be preferable to buying and installing a new Alarm system.

Chris
 
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Or just buy a tube of Tec7 or CT1 or something like someone suggested in about the third post!
 
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Or just buy a tube of Tec7 or CT1 or something like someone suggested in about the third post!
Hello matt4321,

I have mentioned a few times that I only have 4 x 150mm sections of the Alarm cable to glue to the Window frames and Door architraves - total cable length 600mm.

I have been hoping for a recommendation for a small tube of adhesive - not because of cost but because I would have no further use for something like `Tec7`.

I don`t have any outstanding `DIY jobs` at my home where I could use a mastic gun cartridge size tube of any adhesive.

I am going to buy some Superglue to put onto an offcut of Alarm cable to see whether it will degrade / melt the pvc insulation as that would be very easy to use on the frames / architraves.

I apologise to Members - I should have done that before posting this thread on the Forum.

Chris
 
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To be fair Chris, without photos it might not be easy for people to picture it. I know you mentioned you were having trouble getting decent photos, but it might help to put them on here.

I don't think ipf is trying to wind you up.
I'm afraid I can only go so far trying to help someone with what is, basically, a minor problem.

For goodness sake, chris, just give something a try....maybe even get some chewing gum and try it as a temporary fixing to see how it looks.
 
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I'm afraid I can only go so far trying to help someone with what is, basically, a minor problem.

For goodness sake, chris, just give something a try....maybe even get some chewing gum and try it as a temporary fixing to see how it looks.

Hello again ipf,

Please see my message to Member matt4321 above.

Chris
 
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Hello All,

Thanks to the Members who have replied to me.

I would be happy for a Moderator to close this thread now if they feel that it has gone far enough ?

Chris
 
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Hello All,

Thanks to the Members who have replied to me.

I would be happy for a Moderator to close this thread now if they feel that it has gone far enough ?

Chris
Hello again,

Because this thread has become so long-winded perhaps it should not be closed until I can at least post the result of the `Superglue Test`.

Then there would at least be an answer to whether Superglue is suitable for gluing pvc insulated Alarm cable to UPVC.

Chris
 

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still tink my suugy of white blu-tac is viable. if it don't work there is no damage to cable or structure. if it works, then a winner.
 
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still tink my suugy of white blu-tac is viable. if it don't work there is no damage to cable or structure. if it works, then a winner.
Hello telectrix,

Thanks for your suggestion.

Would I be correct in thinking that I would need to use pieces of the white `blu-tac` that were wider than the diameter of the Alarm cable and that it might also discolour and make the cables more noticeable on the brilliant white UPVC ?

Chris
 

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Hello telectrix,

Thanks for your suggestion.

Would I be correct in thinking that I would need to use pieces of the white `blu-tac` that were wider than the diameter of the Alarm cable and that it might also discolour and make the cables more noticeable on the brilliant white UPVC ?

Chris
it's a try it and see. if it fades or is inappropriate, pull it off and start over.
 
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it's a try it and see. if it fades or is inappropriate, pull it off and start over.
Hello again telectrix,

I was trying to be polite.

I know that anything like `Blu-tac` - even if white would have to be applied like a putty and wider than the diameter of the cables.

The `White` colour would be nothing like the brilliant white of the UPVC - even the very white Alarm cable pvc insulation is not as white as the UPVC.

Chris
 
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would have been easier to fix/repair/replace the original wireless problem.
Hello telectrix,

How would buying and installing about £500.00 worth of Burglar Alarm Kit be easier than gluing 4 x 150mm sections of Alarm detector cable around the shape of the Window frames / Door architraves ?

I have obviously alienated myself with some Members over my messages on this thread ?

I had hoped that I might have been `well thought of` on here as I participate solely to help Members with Heating and Plumbing questions having been helped previously with some Electrical questions.

Chris
 
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Don't take it personally Chris. Good to have someone on board with your sort of knowledge re gas etc.

Remember a sense of humour as well though. I mean that in good faith.
 
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Don't take it personally Chris. Good to have someone on board with your sort of knowledge re gas etc.

Remember a sense of humour as well though. I mean that in good faith.
Hello DPG,

Thanks for your message.

I do have a good sense of humour but I find it impossible to know whether some Members comments are serious or joking.

Especially when I receive replies which because of what I have described make no sense or are completely inappropriate in terms of actually something that anyone would do or try.

Thanks again for all of your messages.

Chris
 

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I think the replies you're referring to are justified. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill in my opinion. If you'd glued it on Wednesday when you started this thread you'd probably have forgotten about it by now.
 

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Hello again ipf,

Another `Wind Up` ?

How could anyone use what You are suggesting to run Alarm cables around the shape of Window frames and Door architraves.

What I keep describing cannot possibly be being constantly misunderstood by the Professional Tradesmen / Tradeswomen on here.

Chris
Flexible conduit? Kopex!? (It’s a joke btw)
 

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