Is it legal do PIR's if you have professional indemnity insurance and passd the 2391?

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arcbrightmike

I've recently passed my C&G 2391 Inspection and Testing and I was wondering if you actually need to be registered with an approved competent person scheme to just carry out Periodic Inspection Reports. From my understanding of it you only need to be competent and insured. Is it only the client, insurance company etc that requires this? Could or does anyone just live off the status of being a member of the IET, have the trustmark registation or by showing their 2391 cert.

Thanks

Michael
 
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Micheal

You carry on, proper insurance as well, good stuff.
 
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Thanks Tony. Even if I was part of any scheme other than the NICEIC, I would still be spending my time explaining who it is I am registered with and proberbly loose some work anyway. So whats the differance? Who are you registered with to do part p work now Tony? Or are you rebelling against the system as alot of sparks do?
 
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You have the 2391 and indemnity insurance,then your good to go,as you have some clients stipulate nic forms etc,but you can use any other forms available even print your own with your company name as long as they are similar modelled on the ones on the brb.
 
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As the guys have said but make sure you dont cut corners or be presured into becomming a 10 minuit PIR guy ,im sure you wont
 
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Micheal

I was a QS for a NICEIC Approved Contractor from 2000 - 2010, but left just before Xmas. It my mates company and I'm back working with him again, so will be back as the QS in the next few weeks. Also NICEIC Approved contractors qualify for automatic part p registration.

When I do PIR's I use certificates that were made up in a word document for us and can add the NICEIC logo if I choose, but don't always bother.

Part P would be good if every single person who worked under it was actually a Competent Qualified Electrician, but the sad fact is they are not.

I rebel against anything what effects me lol but also understand how the system works from the powers above and how Part P was engineered by the previous Government to give opportunities to those struggling to get work in this industry and create more back office jobs and a paper trail to the Tax man.

The more its rammed down peoples throats the more they believe that with out it somebody or some company is not fit to carry out Electrical work in domestic premises. Clever stuff when you think outside the box, and a god send to those who are looking for opportunities, both on in way of a career change and lecturing in training centres.
 
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Talking of professional indemnity insurance doe any one know any good deals at the moment.

Thanks
 
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Tony M

I'm limited and paid £193.00 roughly, for public liability with indemnity as well, that was not bad imo

I only need 1 million and £250,00 cover for each, if i need more then I'm packing it in lol
 
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£135.00 for 5 million your insurance covers all but industrial
 
Re: Is it legal do PIR's if you have professional indemnity insurance and passd the 2

Thanks for the quick replies everyone

At the moment I am not covered by PI Insurance and I cant seem to find a website that can quote me online. Does anyone know how much I am looking at for a one man band sole trader?

I have loads of different types of cert templates that I bought off Ebay ages ago. Is there anything wrong with adding extra boxes, info and putting your logo on them?
 
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Sorry didnt see the limited company bit its for a standard company
 
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arcbrightmike said:
Thanks for the quick replies everyone

At the moment I am not covered by PI Insurance and I cant seem to find a website that can quote me online. Does anyone know how much I am looking at for a one man band sole trader?

I have loads of different types of cert templates that I bought off Ebay ages ago. Is there anything wrong with adding extra boxes, info and putting your logo on them?
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Give this a try re domestic certs.
https://secure.castlinesystems.co.uk/formfill_level_p_download.asp
 
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Mike
See Nicks post for insurance and see BS7671 for cert examples etc and why not add your own logo and details etc so you don't get forgotten.

Tony mc
What are you, sole or limited ?

Nick
Don't be sorry I know your having a bad patch lol
 
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So if i get indemnity insurance i dont need to pay elecsa the extra 250 odd quid to be part of there PIR scheme?
 
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mattmoo1974 said:
So if i get indemnity insurance i dont need to pay elecsa the extra 250 odd quid to be part of there PIR scheme?
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You need indemnity insurance full stop, it covers you for your judgement/professional opinion. I would not pay any scheme just to have their logo on my PIR report, that's all your be paying £250.00 for imo, stuff that.
 
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Is that the same as public liability insurance? Or am i being stupid?
Iv got 2 mill PL insurance. As you can imagine "Every pounds a prisoner" at the mo :)
 
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Hi mate, as has been said you don't need to be with a scheme, in fact if you are only planning on doing PIRs I wouldn't recommend one. I am with a scheme but don't pay the extra to do PIRs with them (all they give you is the logo as far as I can tell, seems pointless).

You have said that you've had a bit of a problem getting a quote, though, and also you say you've just got your 2391. What experience do you have? I would say to be doing PIRs you really need to have quite a bit of experience in inspection, and you will find a lot of companies won't give you PI insurance if you don't have at least 3 and normally 5 years experience in your trade...... You may find someone but you may find it's pretty expensive.

just to reiterate what has been said, though, PI is ESSENTIAL if you're doing PIRs, so regardless of what you get quoted you need to have it.
 
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mattmoo1974 said:
Is that the same as public liability insurance? No Or am i being stupid?
Iv got 2 mill PL insurance. As you can imagine "Every pounds a prisoner" at the mo :)
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As per above No
 
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mattmoo1974 said:
Is that the same as public liability insurance? Or am i being stupid?
Iv got 2 mill PL insurance. As you can imagine "Every pounds a prisoner" at the mo :)
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It isn't mate. What you need to do PIRs is 'Professional Indemnity' insurance, a minimum of 250000 (for domestic) but you'd be advised to go for more. Usually your PL insurer can put it on your package as an add on
 
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Sweet you ve saved me a few quid there lads :)
Surfing the forums pays off :)
 
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Hi Rocker. I've been working as a sparky since I was 15 and I am now 24, passed the 2330, 2382 and 2391 which I have completed in the last 3 years. I cant say I've had that much experience doing PIRs other than a few for who I sub contract for and at collage. I've had alot of experience in the Installation and maintenance side of things and have done alot of fault finding.

Do you think that you would loose work without their logo?
 
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Another thread touched on this topic. It said that because you are not giving 'professional' advice but making a 'report' PI Insurance or any insurance for that matter is not needed..
 
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Electricman Dan said:
Another thread touched on this topic. It said that because you are not giving 'professional' advice but making a 'report' PI Insurance or any insurance for that matter is not needed..
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I would say anyone offering a periodic report is giving their professional advice upon the installation and making recommendations regarding it
 
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I understand that there is no legislation to say a 2392 holder can't undertake PIRs if properly Insured?

True/false?

Bemused!
 
Re: Is it legal do PIR's if you have professional indemnity insurance and passd the 2

There is no legislation to say someone without 2391, 2392 or any other electrical qualification can't undertake PIRs whether properly insured or not.
 
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