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He had six years to do it, so no rush !!What do you mean by loose trunking? Is it not secured to the wall? If not then can you just glue it?
I expect you can just glue it. I rent the house. But the electrician is quoting for work as a C2 and my question is whether it should be graded C2 or C3
Well I don't argue with that. But nonetheless I would like some advice about this coding. The trunking is not hanging off its just not attached solidly to the wall. By grading it C2 the electrician does not pass the EICR and I have to pay him to come back. I am looking for guidelines on this gradingDoesn't matter what code, just get it secured. Take less time than finding out what the code should be!
There was a change in the 18th edition, associated with premature collapse of wiring, under this all cables must be properly secured with fire resistant fittings (or other physical means), if this is not present, then it's a C2.
Just gluing it will not satisfy the regs.
No.Would that only apply to a new installation ?
When was the 18th edition brought in. This may explain the change in grading. Interestingly though the electrician who did the original EICR told me that it was not necessary to do anything. It looks quite stable to meWould that only apply to a new installation ?
There was a change in the 18th edition, associated with premature collapse of wiring, under this all cables must be properly secured with fire resistant fittings (or other physical means), if this is not present, then it's a C2.
Just gluing it will not satisfy the regs.
May sound a bit harsh here but....if you are renting the place what do you care about c2 c3 et all?
Thank you for thisWhile opinions and advice differ and there is a degree of judgment in all cases, the best and most accessible guide to EICR coding is probably the Best Practice Guide #4:
https://www.electricalsafetyfirst.org.uk/media/2149/bpg4-1.pdf
Completely understand that mate, I’ve rented in the past just curious as to why so concerned....I’m with you for a decent landlord idve just stuck down and if I liked the client idve made good of whilst doing the EICR so it was never an issue ?I rent a house out and take good care of it. Not all landlords are bad.
The BPG#4 has this under C3:
The clarification is a bit convoluted to me, as it sounds like C2 only non-domestic but I think they mean (or maybe they should mean) C2 for any escape route or likely fireman access route.
- Wiring systems not adequately supported to prevent premature collapse in the event of a fire. Note: In locations other than in individual dwellings, such as communal areas forming part of an escape route, this would warrant a code C2 classification to be recorded)
Now that these EICRs have become mandatory none of the people doing them are doing any work at the time. Well not where my house is. So it seems to me a great money spinner. If it was done at the time it would be simpletCompletely understand that mate, I’ve rented in the past just curious as to why so concerned....I’m with you for a decent landlord idve just stuck down and if I liked the client idve made good of whilst doing the EICR so it was never an issue ?
I am not there as I live elsewhere. 350 miles away. The cable is in the kitchen on adjoining wall. Fridge freezer is about a food awaySeems sensible. A code of C2 force cable in the corner of the bathroom seems harsh.
Mind you, we haven't seen a photo yet have we?
Some of us are doing minor remedial works at the time, by prior agreement, as it saves the landlord time & money. Likely fixing a piece of trunking would fall into that category. However, there are some landlords who want a quote beforehand for everything however minor - those I am not fixing at the time, and it will eventually cost them more.Now that these EICRs have become mandatory none of the people doing them are doing any work at the time. Well not where my house is. So it seems to me a great money spinner. If it was done at the time it would be simplet
Well common sense tells me that. Believe me I have done everything to make the place safe including work that is not mandatory. For example a wired fire alarm system. It's not a house of multiple occupation. I have put in new lights, lots of points etcBit of engineering judgement here surely...it’s been there years and isn’t in an escape route of any kind...c3 at worst surely? And it complies at the time of installation...
I would most certainly have been happy for the work at the time. I feel that I am being ripped off to be far. And I have used them before to do lots of thingsSome of us are doing minor remedial works at the time, by prior agreement, as it saves the landlord time & money. Likely fixing a piece of trunking would fall into that category. However, there are some landlords who want a quote beforehand for everything however minor - those I am not fixing at the time, and it will eventually cost them more.
Bit of engineering judgement here surely...it’s been there years and isn’t in an escape route of any kind...c3 at worst surely? And it complies at the time of installation...
Yep...I was getting at the fact it didn’t when installed mate, don’t get wrong if that was in an escape route I’d c2 it but it’s a bit harsh considering it’s locationThe 'escape route' part has been changed. It now applies to all wiring.
Yep...I was getting at the fact it didn’t when installed mate, don’t get wrong if that was in an escape route I’d c2 it but it’s a bit harsh considering it’s location
Very true mateAs @DPG commented in post #20, I haven't seen any pics of the trunking so it's hard to say mate.
Well I find it ridiculous actually. It's secure it has not movedYep...I was getting at the fact it didn’t when installed mate, don’t get wrong if that was in an escape route I’d c2 it but it’s a bit harsh considering it’s location
As I explained as I am not there I can't photo it I am 350 miles awayAs @DPG commented in post #20, I haven't seen any pics of the trunking so it's hard to say mate.
I cannot photo it as I am not thereVery true mate
As I explained as I am not there I can't photo it I am 350 miles away
We love a picture....it makes the whole thing a more immersive experience for us......for the love of good don’t put cheesecake in it though!....it’ll go wrongThen it's hard to answer your question mate.
Get the tenant to take a pic and send it to you.
I’ve actually taken someone on now as an arm of my business as handy man stuff becomes much more a thing with the current generation....Pay a local handyman to secure it. Shouldn't cost much. Pop the cable out, couple of holes drilled, pop cable back in. It would be good for you to find a local tradesman who you can use for jobs like this.
Pay a local handyman to secure it. Shouldn't cost much. Pop the cable out, couple of holes drilled, pop cable back in. It would be good for you to find a local tradesman who you can use for jobs like this.
Just to add to the above, if you do this then get them to use fireproof cable clips & get them to take pics and send to you. You can then send them to the electrician.
We love a picture....it makes the whole thing a more immersive experience for us......for the love of good don’t put cheesecake in it though!....it’ll go wrong
Testing of what?.....that repair is a visual confirmation....what does the landlord think of this?....Problem is that in order to get the EICR signed off they say they would need to come back and do further testing once work is done. I am in a catch 22 situation with them
Problem is that in order to get the EICR signed off they say they would need to come back and do further testing once work is done. I am in a catch 22 situation with them
I am the landlord. They say they need to test the systemTesting of what?.....that repair is a visual confirmation....what does the landlord think of this?....
Right ? I thought you were the tenant?...must try harder sorry ?I am the landlord. They say they need to test the system
Complying at the time of installation is irrelevant. That said, if it is not fixed to the wall then it wouldn't ever have complied.Bit of engineering judgement here surely...it’s been there years and isn’t in an escape route of any kind...c3 at worst surely? And it complies at the time of installation...
I’d imagine it was self adhesive that’s been worn out by the steam over years mateComplying at the time of installation is irrelevant. That said, if it is not fixed to the wall then it wouldn't ever have complied.
You can send all the photos you want to the Electrician, but they won't certify the work you have done nor would they alter a report which has been issued. I certainly wouldn't.Just to add to the above, if you do this then get them to use fireproof cable clips & get them to take pics and send to you. You can then send them to the electrician.
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