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scarecrow

Hi,
I wonder if one of you knowledgable people would be kind enough to advise me on something which seems a little to minor to call out an electrician for.

I'll give as much information as I can.

I've recently bought a house, built in the early 1950's and at some point, it has been completely rewired. Whoever rewired it was thoughtful enough to put a tag round every single cable just before it enters the consumer unit (for example: "ground floor ring main 2.5mm" or "immersion radial 2.5mm").
The consumer unit has an RCD as the main on/off switch. The upstairs and downstairs ring mains are protected with 32amp mcb's each and the lighting upstairs and downstairs radials are protected by 6amp mcb's.
The cooker radial (10mm) has a 45amp mcb and the 2.5mm radial to the immersion is fitted with a 16amp mcb.

The circuit I am interested in is a radial which feeds a large shed (16ft x 9ft), is 4mm cable and protected by a 16amp mcb. It's total length (including rising up to the consumer unit) is approximately 14 metres where it is then joined to a 4mm armoured cable in a 6" or 7" 60amp junction box under the floor near the back door.
The armour sheathing is connected to an earth cable which runs from the consumer unit to an earth stake outside.
This 4mm armoured cable (which is also approximately 14 metres long) then runs to the shed where inside, it reverts back to 4mm pvc covered cable (again via a 60amp juntion box; the armour sheath is not connected to anything at this end) and from there goes into a consumer unit (no rcd).
From this consumer unit there are 2 radial circuits, one in 1.5mm for lights with a 6amp mcb and the other radial circuit is 2.5mm feeding several sockets and protected by a 16amp mcb.
My question is can I replace the 16amp mcb's in the main house consumer unit and the shed consumer unit with 20amp mcb's?
Thanks for any advice.
 
The 16A MCBs could be selected for several reasons, such as:
- current carrying capacity of the cable (maybe not applicable here);
- maximum earth fault loop impedance to meet disconnection times in the event of a fault;
- to limit the voltage drop of the circuit (i.e. voltage drop calculation based on 16A).

Unless you properly understand each of these and the limits, you really shouldn't be changing the MCB value yourself.
 
Hi GLENNSPARK

"Divvs"! what has any of this got to do with God or Caesar? or do you mean "Div's" as in stupid or idiot? .... of which I am neither.
As an ambulace driver I spend my life helping people .... I am still naive enough to think most people are the same .... offensive comments are unnecessary.
It was a simple enough question requiring just a yes or no.
I had already phoned an electrician and he wanted £60 to come and look and I don't have £60 to spend on something that does not have to be done.

Thanks Murdoch and SJD for your imput; I just thought it might be useful (but not essential) to have a bit more capacity in the shed and if this was just a simple case of increasing the mcb's to 20amp it would be worth the £5.
However, I take on board your advice that it is not as straight foreward as I had hoped and will therefore leave as is.
Thank you.
 
It does require onsite viewing by a competent Electrician ... TBH £60 to pop by and say yes or no to you is taking the XXXX ... id ring a few Electricians first see if they are more flexible IMHO it would take me 10mins and not worthy of an invoice but possible a shiny £10 note for the beer funds as its not a job its not a job its a viewing or estimate ...shame you are nowhere near me!
 
Hi GLENNSPARK

"Divvs"! what has any of this got to do with God or Caesar? or do you mean "Div's" as in stupid or idiot? .... of which I am neither.
As an ambulace driver I spend my life helping people .... I am still naive enough to think most people are the same .... offensive comments are unnecessary.
It was a simple enough question requiring just a yes or no.
I had already phoned an electrician and he wanted £60 to come and look and I don't have £60 to spend on something that does not have to be done.

Thanks Murdoch and SJD for your imput; I just thought it might be useful (but not essential) to have a bit more capacity in the shed and if this was just a simple case of increasing the mcb's to 20amp it would be worth the £5.
However, I take on board your advice that it is not as straight foreward as I had hoped and will therefore leave as is.
Thank you.

I wasnt aware electricians charged for quotes?!?!? Is this where I am going wrong?!?!
I wouldnt even charge half that to COMPLETE the job.
Ring a few more electricians. Get a free 'look at' and quote
 

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