Minor Works

[Engineer54]

Almost a qualified Gas Engineer at 19 years old, he's wiring central heating systems, and now wants to test them!!! Has the world in the UK gone totally stark raving mad!!! Or is the same thing happening in the gas industry with these fast track training centres, and Gas-safe registering them with minimal meaningless qualifications??

 

[Octopus]

Hum, an interesting one.

What type of of MFT do you have?

 

[partypest]

That does seen pretty young. Regardless of that, as others have pointed out, you may be called upon to prove your competency. Passing 2382, 2391, Part P and BS7671 17th would be evidence. You may also be called upon to prove how you have kept yourself up to date, joining a P scheme and The IET would be evidence of that. Just watching someone else do it doesn't prove you are competent. If you are putting your name to it, you need to be 100% sure. Just for arguments sake, would you be happy in a 747 if the pilot had learned to fly by watching a mate do it and never passed a test? Ignorance is no defence in law, so make sure you aren't ignorant is my advice.

 

[CTID]

Almost a qualified Gas Engineer at 19 years old, he's wiring central heating systems, and now wants to test them!!! Has the world in the UK gone totally stark raving mad!!! Or is the same thing happening in the gas industry with these fast track training centres, and Gas-safe registering them with minimal meaningless qualifications??

If he started a four year apprenticeship at 16 then that would be right

 

[Marnik]

If he started a four year apprenticeship at 16 then that would be right

Maths??? 16 + 4 = ? No not 19 but 20 !! and even then, i for one would not deem that as competent or qualified.
Equation is as follows in my eyes Knowledge)+(Qualification)+(common sense)+(experience)= competancy

 

[Octopus]

Back to the OP.

Are you planning on starting up self employed and registering for Gas Safe etc?

If so then the sensible step would be to become Part P registered with a scheme and that would "cover" the electrical bases too.

Quite an undertaking at 19/20 years of age.

 

[keiron2013]

Lol can't believe ur arguing over my age lol, I've been doing it since I was 12 part time. Yes we have our own business with my dad n brother, employing 7 engineers so plenty of experiance around me, will go to collage to take the realavnt exams as ur all havin a bitch fit lmaoo

 

[ste77]

Lol can't believe ur arguing over my age lol, I've been doing it since I was 12 part time. Yes we have our own business with my dad n brother, employing 7 engineers so plenty of experiance around me, will go to collage to take the realavnt exams as ur all havin a bitch fit lmaoo

Bitch fits?? you asked peoples opinions, maybe they dont match the answers you wanted but they are hardly bitch fits, now you're showing your age.

 

[Octopus]

Lol can't believe ur arguing over my age lol, I've been doing it since I was 12 part time. Yes we have our own business with my dad n brother, employing 7 engineers so plenty of experiance around me, will go to collage to take the realavnt exams as ur all havin a bitch fit lmaoo

My posts #22 and #26 aren't having a bitch and your responses are?

 

[markc123]

Keiron, are you serious?

I've just read that whole thread and nobody was having a bitch fit - and if you think they were, you should read some of the other threads on here...come back in 2014 when david cockburn re-registers if you want to see a proper bitch fit.

People were just giving you plain and simple advice. You need to undertake the 2382, 2394 & 2395 aswell as a part-p course / register with a scheme. This will prove your competent to sign off your own work.

Yes, as others have mentioned you can sign off a MWC now if you really want - but if anyone gets hurt you'll definitley go to prison because you wont be able to prove your competent to undertake the work you've done.

 

[keiron2013]

Lmaoo, some ov u r , on bout my age and tha, engineers 54 is the worst, you stick to the lightin and ring mains ill do the central heating,

 

[ste77]

its a relevant point, how can you be experienced/competent at electrics when youve only observed an electrician, you need to be aware of why we carry out tests, what readings are accceptable and why they differ with different protective devices, its best to stick to what you know best til youve gained the relevant qualifications instead of trying to earn a few quick extra pounds.

 

[keiron2013]

Keiron, are you serious?

I've just read that whole thread and nobody was having a bitch fit - and if you think they were, you should read some of the other threads on here...come back in 2014 when david cockburn re-registers if you want to see a proper bitch fit.

People were just giving you plain and simple advice. You need to undertake the 2382, 2394 & 2395 aswell as a part-p course / register with a scheme. This will prove your competent to sign off your own work.

Yes, as others have mentioned you can sign off a MWC now if you really want - but if anyone gets hurt you'll definitley go to prison because you wont be able to prove your competent to undertake the work you've done.

Thanks mark,
You have give me exactly what I asked for, most of the goin on bout BS, and my age, how can I be able to wire?, most experianced people are worse than inexperiance, inexperiance people are cautious in what they are doing

 

[markc123]

you're welcome.

 

[markc123]

Thanks mark,
You have give me exactly what I asked for, most of the goin on bout BS, and my age, how can I be able to wire?, most experianced people are worse than inexperiance, inexperiance people are cautious in what they are doing

I can't say i agree with how you've completley conducted yourself in this thread, and regardless of what else has been said, as i can't really be arsed to get involved in 'bitch fits' at the time being...

That is completley true, when i was learning the trade i used to notice my dad work live all the time, and sometimes get a little belt.

Now, as im older the times have changed and at one point i used to make sure everything is dead....replacing a FCU now or w.e. i'll just do live.

The more experienced do get hurt more i'll agree, but thats their own fault.

But, having said that...Experience is knowledge in this trade im afraid.

 

[keiron2013]

All I wanted to knw if I need to be qualified? Yes or No, and if so what course do I need to undertake, not all the bull****. Aswell I didn't knw if I was coming or going, thanks to mark I nw knw what I need to do to undertake the tests,

 

[Octopus]

All I wanted to knw if I need to be qualified? Yes or No, and if so what course do I need to undertake, not all the bull****. Aswell I didn't knw if I was coming or going, thanks to mark I nw knw what I need to do to undertake the tests,

So are you simply ignoring my posts #22 and #26?????

You dad, should do the right thing and take on a competent sparky and see how it goes. He's the boss!

 

[keiron2013]

its a relevant point, how can you be experienced/competent at electrics when youve only observed an electrician, you need to be aware of why we carry out tests, what readings are accceptable and why they differ with different protective devices, its best to stick to what you know best til youve gained the relevant qualifications instead of trying to earn a few quick extra pounds.

I can't say i agree with how you've completley conducted yourself in this thread, and regardless of what else has been said, as i can't really be arsed to get involved in 'bitch fits' at the time being...

That is completley true, when i was learning the trade i used to notice my dad work live all the time, and sometimes get a little belt.

Now, as im older the times have changed and at one point i used to make sure everything is dead....replacing a FCU now or w.e. i'll just do live.

The more experienced do get hurt more i'll agree, but thats their own fault.

But, having said that...Experience is knowledge in this trade im afraid.

I agree with that mark, I'm gettin slated because I've asked do I need to be qualified to do the test, but in order to gain experiance u need hands on aswell as knowledge no good sat in collage learnin out of a book need the onsite to get true experiance

 

[Andy78]

All I wanted to knw if I need to be qualified? Yes or No, and if so what course do I need to undertake, not all the bull****. Aswell I didn't knw if I was coming or going, thanks to mark I nw knw what I need to do to undertake the tests,

You got the precise answer to your question in the second reply on this thread.

 

[keiron2013]

its a relevant point, how can you be experienced/competent at electrics when youve only observed an electrician, you need to be aware of why we carry out tests, what readings are accceptable and why they differ with different protective devices, its best to stick to what you know best til youve gained the relevant qualifications instead of trying to earn a few quick extra pounds.

I can't say i agree with how you've completley conducted yourself in this thread, and regardless of what else has been said, as i can't really be arsed to get involved in 'bitch fits' at the time being...

That is completley true, when i was learning the trade i used to notice my dad work live all the time, and sometimes get a little belt.

Now, as im older the times have changed and at one point i used to make sure everything is dead....replacing a FCU now or w.e. i'll just do live.

The more experienced do get hurt more i'll agree, but thats their own fault.

But, having said that...Experience is knowledge in this trade im afraid.

So are you simply ignoring my posts #22 and #26?????

You dad, should do the right thing and take on a competent sparky and see how it goes. He's the boss!

Its all down to giving a better service, and we don't get paid unless we hav e a minor works, will help with cashflow