Part P Exam

[ElectricFUN]

Hello,

It's my first time to post a message and i'm not sure if i'm in the right track... Does anybody took there Part P online exam at Learn17thedition.org.uk? Just want to know if they are accredited to conduct such test..Any credible info please..?

 

[Des 56]

Forgive my ignorance,but what is a part p exam



Gotta go now,there is a lot of advise available off this forum for learners req info
Do a search of your subject

 

[ElectricFUN]

C&G 2393 this qualification is to enable practising electricians, operating in dwellings, to gain an understanding of how their electrical installations must comply with all relevant building regulations. You will be able to self-certify the installations once accepted by the scheme provider. Please correct me if i am wrong. thanks.

 

[BluSparx]

Part P Eaxam ????? Part P is Building Regs and you are assessed for competence by a governing body i.e. elecsa / niceic / napit

I am taking it you are not a qualified electrician and don't have an underlying qualification - are you thinking of getting 2382 - 17th edition and then registering - you will be asked questions around your competence and if you cannot demonstrate competence on assessment you will not be giving Part P Status therefore not being able to sign your work off

Forgive me if you are qualified however from the way you post it appears not

 

[Mark_Burgess]

Please read this thread Part P

 

[brucelee]

the 2393 exam is not just part p its all the building regs and is taken from the book electricians guide to the building regs i did this exam last year
but you will have to register with a governing body and have a very good understanding of the regs they say you dont need to have the 17th, C&G 2382 when registering you will be assesed on the knowledge of the regs so it would be better to have 2382 first you will only be able to sign of your own work when youve registered and been assessed and accepted as competent

 

[Amp David]

The crowds offering a 'Part P' course are bigger rip off merchant than the scheme providers themselves.

Some of the courses make it sound that when you have completed their course on 'Part P' the you're good to go self certifying.

 

[davejp]

out of curiosity, for the assessment, do you have to remember the regulation numbers, or would just remembering what the regs state should be done suffice?...

for example.

I don't know the number of the reglation that states that all bathroom circuits need RCD protection, but i know the protection is needed... is this acceptable?

 

[BluSparx]

On the assesment you can refer to your Regs book and OSG - this then demonstrates you know your way around the book - we are all good but would never remember all them regs

 

[brucelee]

yeah mate
i know i am one of them they do make it sound a quicker process of becoming a electrician but leave all the bits out about jib only classing you as jib if you have 2330 and 2356
I did enjoy the course i attended as i finally achieved some qualifications but for a substantial amount of money for 6 week training inc C&G 2382-10, 2377, 2393, and logic part p full level A and defined scope levels,B,C Awards
I must admit i learned a great deal more about the theory side of things than i did as a apprentice electrician at 16 which i gave up partly because i felt i wasnt learning enough, but some of that was down to me

I tried many times over the years after giving up my apprenticeship over to get a apprentice type course but was always told i was to old and there was no help with training and i have been in and out of electrics including new build,rewires some commercial and a little industrial this quick rip off course was the only option left and at great expense to my family and I

be careful as they just want your money ad usually lots i spet three years looking into them before giving them my cash of £4020 for this i got the above quals and a megger 1552, BS7671 ,OSG CK toolkit and 6 week training

dont just go for the first scam merchant look into all thats required and what you want to achieve from it if you are young then the 2330 route would be best but if time and family commitments a issue then maybe only route is a rip off course like me

this is in reply to Amp david and hopefully some help to dave jp

 

[ezzzekiel]

The crowds offering a 'Part P' course are bigger rip off merchant than the scheme providers themselves.

Some of the courses make it sound that when you have completed their course on 'Part P' the you're good to go self certifying.

nail on head

 

[davejp]

thx brucelee,

commitments and money have limited me to the "rip off" courses and shall be enrolling later in the year/early next year.

i'm starting on domestic and once i get a bit of money behind me i'll go for commercial (taking account of the lack of experience hurdle)

 

[zoo786]

HI its my first time here. i hav done my c&g 2330 level 1 and 2. will be doing my level 3 this September.. my question is that can i do my 17th edt b4 i do my level 3?. and any one know any good place in w/yorkshire to do 17th edt? many thanks.

 

[Mark_Burgess]

You can do your "17th" any time you can get booked in to do it, as its all about knowing some of and where to find the relevant information the the regs book.
You really need some tutoring on the regs as where to find the information and indexing of the chapters in the book to aid finding the info efficiently.

 

[zoo786]

many thanks for ur help. mr mark

 

[ElectricFUN]

I knew what you talking about. Please read my question carefully. Simple and obviously if you didn't took exam from the said organization just flag it and carry on.



Thanks anyway.


By asking you will learn so much morethan you think you know...........

 

[Phil]

HI its my first time here. i hav done my c&g 2330 level 1 and 2. will be doing my level 3 this September.. my question is that can i do my 17th edt b4 i do my level 3?. and any one know any good place in w/yorkshire to do 17th edt? many thanks.

skilles ctr in wakefield. if you wanted you could just do the exam only

 

[SirKit Breaker]

HI its my first time here. i hav done my c&g 2330 level 1 and 2. will be doing my level 3 this September.. my question is that can i do my 17th edt b4 i do my level 3?. and any one know any good place in w/yorkshire to do 17th edt? many thanks.

York college. ring them up they are cheap but only do courses on demand. I did 17th update for £125 all in but you need your own books.

Cheers.............Howard

 

[zoo786]

many many thanks. mr phil and sirkit realy appreciate ur help!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jay Sparks]

I did my 17th edition at keighley college. Just after I finished the 2330 lvl 3. I only needed to do the one date course and it cost me around £150. Its an open book exam so if you know how to read and understand some of the regs you sholud be ok. Bye the way its now called Leeds College, Keigley campus I think.

 

[mickeymegabyte]

What gets me, is the fact that all this was developed to outlaw "cowboys" and to fall in line with Europe.
but I believe its true that a part P competent person who is registered through the company he works for.......can self certify at all times for them.........but when he gets home, all he can basically do is change a light bulb or switch.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if this is true, it stinks.

 

[martysparky]

The crowds offering a 'Part P' course are bigger rip off merchant than the scheme providers themselves.

Some of the courses make it sound that when you have completed their course on 'Part P' the you're good to go self certifying.

To the point of it appearing that you will actually be registered as competent when passing the exams!!!

 

[POWERFULL]

Why would an Apprentice trained Electrician with underpinning Electrical Knowlege coupled with Technical Certificates and modern day NVQ 3 wish to register as part P. Its a Joke, I know Kitchen Fitters stating I am part P Registered and when asked about a Certain readings on a TT system how would they interpret it said " would just put down reading meter shows" this shows that they DO NOT UNDERSTAND Ohms Law.
If qualified Electricians require Part P to conform to building regs there is no problems, but 12 weeks course to say I know what I am doing is a farce. Colleges running these couses are only interested in Bums On Seats.
To register for Part P there should be a minimum Entry requirement ie Workimg in Industry and prooving Apprenticeship, Tech Certs,plus if undertaken NVQ Level 3, Current Wiring Regs, Inspecting and Testingf.
The Public should only employ Qualified Electricians who can proove they are Apprentice / Industry trained and have the Relevant Skills along with underpinning Knowlege.

 

[spa1969]

I agree with your points about fast track courses. Especially with you guys being fully qualified, and having done the full works to get where you are. The customer needs to know that the person doing the work for them does indeed know what they are doing. Otherwise they'd pop down to B&Q and do it themselves.

The problem is that for people like myself, a father of two with a mortgage, all the usual reponsibilities and working full time, how else am I supposed to get into a career I've always wanted to do but not had the opportunity? I can't afford 5-6k for the full training and then months spent as an apprentice. It's simply not practical. This is the only real option available.

If these type of domestic installer courses weren't available then there would be a serious shortage of competent people out there. I can't speak for myself as I have yet to complete the course but there must be some decent people who have done these courses, have the Part P, 17th and 2392 and do know what they are doing.

Anyway, after the rambling, my point is that these fast track courses should be required to set a high level of knowledge and practical skill before giving the certifications. Otherwise they are pointless and we have all wasted our money. It's a shame that there is currently (to my knowledge) no bridge between a domestic installer and a fully qualified electrician. As that would help people in similar positions to myself get where they want to go.

 

[brucelee]

Hi mate
Same here and also i am a carer and have tried to get on a 2330 and i want to do the nvq . The rip off private course was the only option i had but they dont teach you what you would learn by being at college for 3 years and also by working with a good sparky as thats the only way you really learn to do the job by practically doing it as this is how i learned
Fair enough i dont have all the underpinning knowledge that someone who has done a full apprenticeship but doesnt mean i will not try to do the best job i can as competently as i can without charging the earth

If these qualifications that you get are not enough then they should have to improve them or stop offering them because the money you pay for a short course is a lot more than going to college as they kow people with families etc havent got the time to go to college with all the commitments

I had a apprenticeship but gave it up through own stupidity because i felt i wasnt learning enough after 1 year

I had tried many times to get back on a apprentice type course but was always told to old or there is no help with funding or training
I have been involved with electrics for 24 yrs on and off and as i am a full time carer this was my only option to do a quick rip off course after looking at them for over a year so that hopefully i can start up as a domestic installer and the do extra training for the 2330 etc or the new 2357
I learned more in 6 weeks than i did in 1 year at college

I just done a 8 week course for the 2391 also and as i studied every day for 4 months passed first time even though i am not in the industry at the minute how many electricians fail through not putting the effort in

Its all about how much you are committed to learning to do the job correctly and competently

 

[spa1969]

Hi brucelee,

I can see the difficulty you face and as you said going to college isn't an option for many of us. I think what you say about being commited to the course you are doing hits the nail on the head. I don't intend to spend thousands of pounds and not take it seriously. I intend to do my best and pass the exams. Only from that point will I actually start learning about the industry by hopefully working with experienced guys and getting to know the ropes. You've got to learn to walk before you can run as they say.

Cheers

 

[martysparky]

Don't forget that most people doing 2330 are young lads. Maybe bright etc but surely in most cases not as willing or determined as an adult in desperate need to support his her family.

I did a fast track too, EAL level 2 inc appropriate building regulations with 17th regs and I for one are fully aware of the responsibilities involved and certainly do not want the responsibility of burning a house after bashing it.

I would not have done the course or paid the fee if I didn't take it seriously or want to do the job well.

Saying that I do believe that those courses do not provide enough information but that does not mean it wont be learned so, I guess its down to the individual to become competent.

Its not easy in any case and bridges are difficult to find but this place is a virtual one and often a solid real one.

 

[christine]

i did mine today to attain logic part p qual,it was an open book exam,ref were from electrician guide,17th edition,onsite guide,guidance note 3,guidance note 7,the only reference not allowed is the approved doc p.
the requirement was 100%.from what i saw i think u r better off being examined by a recognised body because its part of what goes to ur portfolio,if u do it online who will ascertain that u obeyed the exam rules,supervised,no cheating etc.got it.u can use the online just for practice bases but not for a proper qualification,tc,hope that helped.

 

[Des 56]

I for one are fully aware of the responsibilities involved and certainly do not want the responsibility of burning a house after bashing it.


In my opinion there is more danger with a well trained know it all spark who couldn't give a damn, than the consciensious inexperienced, who make sure what they do, is firstly understood, and secondly,put into practice as it was understood
In that respect,the length of course taken is not relevant

 

[Bigboy247]

Its strange when part P came out so many full time electricians were happy as they didn`t want to do house bashing. It should have stopped the have a go kitchen fitter and his tape joining cables.I take my hat off to anyone who sits and passes exams, every year new exams/ updates come out and they are not cheap as we all know. Electricians or Domestic installers who give a good service and care and follow the Bs7671 -Part P is what its all about and a happy customer whether its a million pound contract or a new light switch electricians need happy customers. The best electrician I have ever worked with never had an exam to his name but now we all need the paperwork to go with the job.

 

[BLACKJAK]

just took my exams hope to pass, its not so bad if you put the hours in and practice.