Small joint box

Midwest · Feb 28, 2017

I'm about to do a kitchen refurbishment, where my client is buying socket faceplates, lighting etc, I know!

They have bought some under cabinet lighting under cabinet round light in cool white 6000k - https://led.me.uk/kitchen-lights?product_id=240, which only has a 75mm of lead. I had thought of using some butt connectors covered with heat shrink, to extend the flexes to the top of the wall cabinet, but not sure in case the things need replacing?

My alternate idea, was to use a small JB, mounted just above the fitting at the back of the wall unit on the inside. Smallest I can find is these ETERNA - CB5A - 5A Lighting Connector Box | CPC UK - http://cpc.farnell.com/eterna/cb5a/5a-lighting-connector-box/dp/LA04538?CMP=CPC-PLA

Apart from Bakelite 5a jb, anybody know of anything else suitable?

Richard Burns · Feb 28, 2017

These from Toolstation are quite small and easy to use. Will just fit three small push fits.

The Ghost · Feb 28, 2017

I can't quite seem to work out how you mount those lights? Are you/the site saying drill a 55mm hole in the cabinet at the bottom? Then terminate the singles in the cabinet? How will that work when I put my cups on the bottom shelf??? Sorry if this seems dumb, but I just can't see how it would work. And how will you contain the wires from the fitting?

Rpa07 · Feb 28, 2017

I can see engineering innovation coming into this job as they haven't done you any favours. Not having seen the job could you mount the lights into an additional batten and provide your own channel for the extended singles or failing the go ahead for that, use the corner architrave trunking sold in the big shed for your singles extended?
23mm is a fair size recess and unless there is a double skin of shelf its gonna be messy - just be thankful it's 'side entry cables for your convenience', pictures along the way please!

Pat H · Feb 28, 2017

I've used these recently.

ELECTRICAL JUNCTION BOX 2A-24A/240V 3/4 POLE TERMINAL BLOCK INLINE WIRE CHOC BOX | eBay - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162328227094?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=461344167787&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Worked ok.

Rpa07 · Feb 28, 2017

Thanks @Midwest just got my 1000 on that last post!

Des 56 · Feb 28, 2017

Vortigern said:
I can't quite seem to work out how you mount those lights? Are you/the site saying drill a 55mm hole in the cabinet at the bottom? Then terminate the singles in the cabinet? How will that work when I put my cups on the bottom shelf??? Sorry if this seems dumb, but I just can't see how it would work. And how will you contain the wires from the fitting?

Yes they are the product of a designer who would be better suited shovelling snow in a blizzard,idiot design

I can see those contraptions are also supplied surface mounted(with a cup like thing) I think I would probably ask the customer to use those rather than the pathetic outcome of using them recessed down low(if they were in a top cupboard they would not be so stupid)
Some sticky trunking to make the joint butted up to the surface mount

Octopus · Feb 28, 2017

Will the wall cupboards have a pelmet? If so then add a white 10A bakerlite JB to the underside of the cupboard

Taylortwocities · Feb 28, 2017

Pat H said:
I've used these recently.

ELECTRICAL JUNCTION BOX 2A-24A/240V 3/4 POLE TERMINAL BLOCK INLINE WIRE CHOC BOX | eBay - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162328227094?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=461344167787&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Worked ok.

Spec says

Suitable for rigid & single strand copper wire

So no good for flex/ multi-strand cables then?

telectrix · Feb 28, 2017

as above posts. several good suggestions. here's mine:

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Taylortwocities · Feb 28, 2017

Camberwell carrot?

Wilko · Feb 28, 2017

I have to sneak this thru on the qt :
Debox2 Screwless In Line Junction Box - https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/DEBOX2.html

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Cheap and MF !
And vans that carry them are prone to spontaneous combustion, according to Westie ...

Des 56 · Feb 28, 2017

I am not a fan of the new fangled push fit connections at all
I rate them as highly as that advertisement for them in the picture
I suppose they come with bits of Brown and Blue insulation to cover the obligatory bare copper that's showing

Pat H · Feb 28, 2017

Taylortwocities said:
Spec says

Suitable for rigid & single strand copper wire

So no good for flex/ multi-strand cables then?

That's right they are push fit so only works with solid cores. Mine where both solid but what was nice was they had a small and a larger hole so mismatched gauge could be used.

Wilko · Feb 28, 2017

Des 56 said:
I am not a fan of the new fangled push fit connections at all
I rate them as highly as that advertisement for them in the picture
I suppose they come with bits of Brown and Blue insulation to cover the obligatory bare copper that's showing

Absolute classic, isn't it ?

Midwest · Feb 28, 2017

Thanks for the replies chaps, didn't realise the fitting pics don't show the complete product. The fittings are the standard fare, and come with a back box, so the fitting can be mounted surface. I'll plough through the other replies.

Midwest · Feb 28, 2017

Murdoch said:
Will the wall cupboards have a pelmet? If so then add a white 10A bakerlite JB to the underside of the cupboard

I tend to fit this type of fitting at the back of the wall unit, i.e. adjacent to wall (not in the middle of wall unit), so no wires showing, especially with this carp product.

Midwest · Feb 28, 2017

I'm think of just extending the measly offering of flex provided by the manufacturer with some of these;
Solder Heatshrink Butt Splice Terminal Connectors Auto Electrical 1mm- 6.0mm | eBay - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Solder-Heatshrink-Butt-Splice-Terminal-Connectors-Auto-Electrical-1mm-6-0mm/221323072330?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150313114020%26meid%3D933b207ff7b74561986a1761d7ea5b7e%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D19%26rkt%3D26%26sd%3D321258582310&var=520197652594

covered with some heat shrink of course; these and the extra piece of flex will be in the service void behind the wall unit.

Octopus · Feb 28, 2017

Midwest said:
I tend to fit this type of fitting at the back of the wall unit, i.e. adjacent to wall (not in the middle of wall unit), so no wires showing, especially with this carp product.

Do you mean inside the cupboard?

Midwest · Feb 28, 2017

Murdoch said:
Do you mean inside the cupboard?

No underneath, didn't think describing something as simple as this would be so difficult, present company accepted

Midwest · Mar 1, 2017

PPS, could of sworn I posted this in Electrical Tools & Products. Dodgy trigger finger I suspect.

seltechpc · Mar 1, 2017

I have found these useful for connecting short LED strip wires beneath cupboards. They are fixed with screws internally so look smart. If all else fails I use solder and heat shrink (hopeless for fault location).

http://www.screwfix.com/p/halolite-junction-box/35855

Midwest · Mar 1, 2017

seltechpc said:
I have found these useful for connecting short LED strip wires beneath cupboards. They are fixed with screws internally so look smart. If all else fails I use solder and heat shrink (hopeless for fault location).

http://www.screwfix.com/p/halolite-junction-box/35855

Cheers, think I'm gonna solder & heat shrink.