Sockets with no switches

[Boaky]

Can anyone tell me please what code I should give
socket outlets used for general use but have no switches on
I thought c3 but I was advised by my boss to code it a 2
anyone agree?

 

[gutterball]

why do you think it needs coded?

 

[Boaky]

I always thought u had to switch off before removing
for loading purposes, you could possibly get your fingers in
there and there could be an arc

 

[Plonker 3]

Do the sockets have a BS number on them?

 

[telectrix]

no code as no regulation has been breached. sounds like another niceic made up reg.

 

[Boaky]

Yes they are made to British stanard
okay guys thanks I know for next time

 

[7029 dave]

Nawt wrong, un switched its down to preference.

 

[dingledong]

It just shows people must be getting unsatisfactory when in reality it's satisfactory. Bad really

 

[Slowhand]

Boaky do you carry out these eicr's under supervision?
Surely you must realise you don't have enough knowledge/experience to do them solo if you have to keep asking questions on here.
So, are you learning or blagging your way through it?

 

[Guest77]

Can anyone tell me please what code I should give
socket outlets used for general use but have no switches on
I thought c3 but I was advised by my boss to code it a 2
anyone agree?

Is he an Electrician?

 

[Boaky]

I like learning and also like getting peoples opinions
When I test I pass my findings on but am starting to realise I need to know more
thats why I come on hear. Never met anyone who knows everything in this game though

 

[dingledong]

Yes you have mdf, he knows it all but if your doing testing it's worrying that you and your boss don't have a clue

 

[trev]

Yes you have mdf, he knows it all but if your doing testing it's worrying that you and your boss don't have a clue

Mike was wrong once, it was on 24th April 2012. He reckons he'll never forget it.

 

[rapparee]

Yes you have mdf, he knows it all but if your doing testing it's worrying that you and your boss don't have a clue

Mdf i bet he doesn't last long out in the rain

 

[Slowhand]

I like learning and also like getting peoples opinions
When I test I pass my findings on but am starting to realise I need to know more
thats why I come on hear. Never met anyone who knows everything in this game though

You never will meet anyone who knows everything but you need to be of a certain standard before you're unleashed on the public, for their safety if not yours.

 

[Boaky]

Slowhand why do I need supervision when I test in a safe manner
yeah sometimes I am not sure of some codings but at least I am finding these things wrong
i come on here for guidance not grief. Do you know everything?
i very much doubt you do

 

[dingledong]

But it seems the blind are leading the blind if your testing by yourself you shouldn't be coming on here asking basic questions .So you give your paperwork to your boss who also does not seem clued up on it ,so you must fail a few that should pass or is that what your company does to get more work

 

[Rockingit]

What you need to remember is that in the same way that you could become liable if you UNDER-code (as in, you gave a genuine C1 as a C3 and the next day someone got hurt) you could also be contractually liable for over-coding - so a customer has a whole load of stress and grief believing that they need £0000's of work done or someone will die, then discovers that they didn't....

The Rockingit guide to C codes is really really simple:

C1: It could kill someone now and I'm amazed we're not on fire yet
C2: It has the potential to kill/hurt someone or start a fire if a few other things happened
C3: It's not as the [edition of BGB in place at the time] describes it

And if you can't tell the difference between those three, then maybe inspection and testing isn't for you.

 

[Boaky]

That's a good way of putting it thanks

 

[Slowhand]

Slowhand why do I need supervision when I test in a safe manner
yeah sometimes I am not sure of some codings but at least I am finding these things wrong
i come on here for guidance not grief. Do you know everything?
i very much doubt you do

No l don't know everything Boaky and if you'd read my previous post you'd know that.
Are you happy under that bridge?

 

[Darkwood]

The OP asking is understandable as he's on his learning curve and asked his boss before here, his boss getting it totally wrong and even stamping it with a higher code is the worrying part.... this is a simple coding issue I hope this is not a reflection of his bosses competence.

 

[ferg]

There is an ESC best practice guide for EICRS.

Well worth a read if you are struggling with coding.

Best Practice Guides - Electrical Safety First

 

[atm84]

Give the guy a break. He only came on here for clarification about coding. He's not done anything unsafe. Seriously some of you guys need to lighten up and stop getting at each others throats. Its not a competition.

 

[Plonker 3]

Its not a competition.

Quite right it's not a completion. But as I have pointed out to the OP, to ask 2 questions in quick succession about EICRs and both their findings and theirs bosses thoughts on it being IMO wrong then they need to be pointed in the right direction of maybe doing different electrical work as they have a misunderstanding of what they are doing.

 

[atm84]

So if you get something wrong you need to change your line of work?? Really come on, think its a case of getting more experience and learning. Hardly a reason to start something new.

 

[ferg]

Give the guy a break. He only came on here for clarification about coding. He's not done anything unsafe. Seriously some of you guys need to lighten up and stop getting at each others throats. Its not a competition.

The OP has learned 2 things from this thread.

1. If he's doing T&I then the consensus of opinion is he needs to brush up otherwise he shouldn't be doing it.

2. the basics of what he needs to know and where to get some more.


This was achieved by getting advice and ballache in equal doses. Pretty much exactly what you would get in real life.

 

[GMES]

Give the guy a break. He only came on here for clarification about coding. He's not done anything unsafe. Seriously some of you guys need to lighten up and stop getting at each others throats. Its not a competition.

Atm I don't think anyone is having a pop at the op, but you have got to admit it is very worrying if he is carrying out testing on a daily basis and is not competent to do it, I am not saying he is no good but he should be fully versed with the procedure which includes being able to code things correctly.
It is even more worrying that is boss doesn't seem to know the correct codes or how to apply them. Let's look at it another way would you feel comfortable with someone who while testing your house had to keep ringing is boss for confimation because I know I wouldn't.

 

[Plonker 3]

So if you get something wrong you need to change your line of work?? Really come on, think its a case of getting more experience and learning. Hardly a reason to start something new.

So filling out a EICR with incorrect codes is fine because they are learning in the process. Yes we all start somewhere, but shadowing someone with more experience is the way forward, asking on a forum where none of no the actual circumstance isn't the way to learn properly.

 

[atm84]

Give the guy a break. He only came on here for clarification about coding. He's not done anything unsafe. Seriously some of you guys need to lighten up and stop getting at each others throats. Its not a competition.

The OP has learned 2 things from this thread.

1. If he's doing T&I then the consensus of opinion is he needs to brush up otherwise he shouldn't be doing it.

2. the basics of what he needs to know and where to get some more.


This was achieved by getting advice and ballache in equal doses. Pretty much exactly what you would get in real life.

For the record its called Inspection and Testing. You do the inspection first, then test. You clearly don't know what you are doing. I suggest you choose something else to do. Ridiculous isn't it.

When I came out of my time, my boss put me through my 2391. I carried out a number of periodic (as that's what they were called then) and I didn't know everything so I would ask my boss when I got back to the office or gave him a call.

Yes the OP boss should know better but its no reason to have a pop at the OP.

 

[jamie-spark]

Can anyone tell me please what code I should give
socket outlets used for general use but have no switches on
I thought c3 but I was advised by my boss to code it a 2
anyone agree?

Have a look at table 53.4 on page 149 in the regs

 

[ferg]

For the record its called Inspection and Testing. You do the inspection first, then test. You clearly don't know what you are doing. I suggest you choose something else to do. Ridiculous isn't it.

When I came out of my time, my boss put me through my 2391. I carried out a number of periodic (as that's what they were called then) and I didn't know everything so I would ask my boss when I got back to the office or gave him a call.

Yes the OP boss should know better but its no reason to have a pop at the OP.

You are correct it is I&T.

And after I noticed my mistake I was waiting for someone to point it out with equal parts ballache and advice.

Lo and behold...

In fairness the OP didn't get that much stick, it was more directed at the blind leading the blind.

Also it's probably worth noting that if all the guys on here did the same I&T you would get a whole bunch of different reports and some differences in codings.

If you then put us all in a room together to discuss it, there would be some bickering, leg pulling and learning and probably in that order.

 

[UNG]

I blame the accessory manufacturers it's their fault for making these dangerous unswitched sockets

 

[Engineer54]

Some manufacturers produce non standard sockets and plug tops such as a round pin earth 13A outlets etc. Some are fuse free too. Just the job when supplying say a built-in washing machine or other appliance in a kitchen from above the worktop via a FCU....


Would they be considered to be worthy of a code 3 too?? lol!!

 

[dingledong]

Twice I have seen a report that just ripped the customer of . And from what the op is saying my boss SId it's a code2. That's what I think they are doing so yes I will have a go at the op

 

[Engineer54]

Twice I have seen a report that just ripped the customer of . And from what the op is saying my boss SId it's a code2. That's what I think they are doing so yes I will have a go at the op

Only Twice?? lol!!

 

[Knobhead]

Some manufacturers produce non standard sockets and plug tops such as a round pin earth 13A outlets etc. Some are fuse free too. Just the job when supplying say a built-in washing machine or other appliance in a kitchen from above the worktop via a FCU....


Would they be considered to be worthy of a code 3 too?? lol!!

Well that’s my kitchen condemned!