thoughts please

[mcm]

Hi all

Just carried out two EICR in the last two days and found some observations just wandering what others would code them at.

First EICR
6mm twin and earth cable for shower connected in a 45amp bs1361 = code 2
Shower not rcd protected = code 3
2.5mm twin and earth cable running into socket in roof space connected into shower isolator feed from bs1361 45amp = code 2
Down lights for 1[SUP]st[/SUP] floor in loft area sheath of cable short and insulated conductors on show = code
Light in bathroom a pendant and rose = code 3
Also no supplementary bonding to pipe work in bathroom or in airing cupboard = code 2

Secound EICR

No 30ma rcd protection to sockets in stable blokes on TT system feed from bs3036. Only has 100ma main rcd trip at mains would of thought extension leads wuld be plugged in to use outside = code 2
Main earth to earth stake cable clips have weathered and now is loose not supported down wall = code ?
Earth stake hasn’t got a earth inspection box on top so stake is exposed nor a do not disconnect label = code ?

Any thoughts would be appreciated I have looked at the best practise guide issue 3 electrical safety council and code the above.

 

[telectrix]

Hi all

Just carried out two EICR in the last two days and found some observations just wandering what others would code them at.

First EICR
6mm twin and earth cable for shower connected in a 45amp bs1361 = code 2
Shower not rcd protected = code 3
2.5mm twin and earth cable running into socket in roof space connected into shower isolator feed from bs1361 45amp = code 2
Down lights for 1[SUP]st[/SUP] floor in loft area sheath of cable short and insulated conductors on show = code 3
Light in bathroom a pendant and rose = code 3
Also no supplementary bonding to pipe work in bathroom or in airing cupboard = code 2

Secound EICR

No 30ma rcd protection to sockets in stable blokes on TT system feed from bs3036. Only has 100ma main rcd trip at mains would of thought extension leads wuld be plugged in to use outside = code 2 ,
Main earth to earth stake cable clips have weathered and now is loose not supported down wall = code ? 3
Earth stake hasn’t got a earth inspection box on top so stake is exposed nor a do not disconnect label = code ? 3

Any thoughts would be appreciated I have looked at the best practise guide issue 3 electrical safety council and code the above.

same as you on most. my opinions added in red.

 

[morph]

why is lack of suppleymentery a code 2

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pendant in bathroom code 3? why ?

 

[Guest55]

why not ?
;-D

 

[morph]

well pendant in bathroom does not say what zone but i assume its out of zone as i am guessing its on the ceiling..

supplymentary would maybe be code 3 as not required for 17th , but was for 16th, i would not say it was potentialy dangerous

 

[telectrix]

but supp. bonding was required when no RCD for bathroom circuits. i'll stick with a code 2. as for the pendant, the rose might be out of zones, but the lamp probably won't, unless it's a big bathroom. in any case i'd code 3 it just for unsuitable for environment.

 

[Guest55]

well pendant in bathroom does not say what zone but i assume its out of zone as i am guessing its on the ceiling..

whatever the zone , is it suitable for the location ? i'd say not.

supplymentary would maybe be code 3 as not required for 17th , but was for 16th, i would not say it was potentialy dangerous

its code 2 if all the circuits in the bathroom arent rcd protected.

;-)..............

 

[Guest55]

fast draw tel beats me again lol.

 

[morph]

external influences so yes ok for pendant
but code 2 for suppleymentary no , why ? because it is not potentially dangerous irespective of the rcd requirement
so code 3 IMO

 

[telectrix]

wasn't there a thread where a woman was electrocuted from a "live" bath tap , recently? think that case was no RCD, no bonding.

 

[tony mc]

IMO code 2 no Supp bonding in bathroom .

C3 would recommend improvement and as we know not get done.

It is still a requirement with the 17th edition or am I missing something in the new ammendement?

 

[morph]

supplementary is not required if main bonding is in place ,rcd is used and ZS values are met

can you say code 2 because code 3's dont get done ??

 

[mcm]

The dwelling is not rcd protected its a wylex board with BS3036 reliable fuses. That the reason I stated code 2.

 

[Guest55]

no , we say code 2 because the potential for injury under fault conditions exists without supp. bonding in a bathroom that isnt fully rcd protected.
code 3 is reserved for crap like missing grommets , unmarked switch wires and other harmless stuff.

 

[mcm]

The dwelling is not rcd protected its a wylex board with BS3036 fuses the main bonding to gas and water is 10mm. That the reason I stated code 2.