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chalky06

Hi all, as has frequently been pointed out the customer is always right!!!! The lighting is on the old twin (no earth) and according to customer I can just attach some new cable to this for his new lights he wants putting up in different locations. In my eyes morally and professionally wrong as he is refusing a re wire even after the points of safety and current have been pointed out!! am about to tell him to find some one else who is willing to do it. Any one have any more ammunition on this??
 
i assume that his new lights are classI, if so, then no way without a cpc. either a rewire or a sinle cpc from CU to each point 2.5mm if protected, 4.0mm if not. otherwise, tell the idiot to do one.
 
IF the lights are class II then you can fit them but must label the CU indicating which circuits have no cpc and that class I fitting must not be used.
 
from the OP , i understand that the customer wants additional lights fitting, so even so, wiring to these must include a cpc, even if they are classII.

411.3.1.1.
 
then if he won't pay to have the job done right, walk away.
 
Will see him again this week, put it to him and willowy you know outcome.
Thanks for thoughts
 
If theres origionally a class1 light fitting in a circuit with no cpc, is a straight swap allowed if thats what the customer wants, even after being explained the issues?
 
not on my watch, it isn't. think about it. if you swap that fitting witout adding a cpc and earthing the metalwork, customer goes to change a lamp /bulb, gets a shock, who's up before the judge?????
 
Just makes me think how fittings could be like that for years having no earth in the first place.. Why would they have wired up bulidings like that from the start?
 
Considering the quality of light fittings nowadays, i would not even contemplate fitting a class 1 , not even in my own house. In the old days fittings were 2 wire pendants so nowhere for an earth anyway.
The customer is NOT always right but the customer is always the customer.
P&S 2010.
 
Well the house was built long before electricity was thought of and when installed and upgraded years ago acceptable
 
As Telectrix said if it goes wrong a ----- like that will point you straight out be carefull there and professional
 
Am also thinking that the lights will have no point to earth them on, a connection for cpc will need to be soldered on
 
I would take the professional approach - Give your customer a written estimate and detail the work that is necessary to comply with the minimum standards of BS7671. If the customer is always correct then he/she will obtain additional estimates and compare.
 
Just makes me think how fittings could be like that for years having no earth in the first place.. Why would they have wired up bulidings like that from the start?
It was probably wired in the 1960's when cheapskate electrical contractors would cut costs to win contracts.
It was permitted to wire without cpc's in those days.
 
was all class II fittings and switches in them days. even the K/O boxes had nylon lugs so a fault could not make the faceplate pins live.
 
Years ago your choice of lighting was limited to what kind of lampshade you could put on your pendant; very few light fittings were class 1 anyway so you could 'get away with' wiring a lighting circuit without a cpc.
You can't install a class 1 light without an earth, and if it was like that before, then it shouldn't have been.

It might be worth pointing out to the customer that the wiring will be nearing it's end of life and may need replacing before long anyway.
 
Had somthing similar recently. Custer had a 5ft fluorescent fitting in there kitchen, which they were refurbishing. I already knew there was no c.p.c in the lighting circuit as i had done previous work on the property. I had advised them about it but they weren't overly concerned. The NIC have a guide out on this issue, where you have RCD protection and you can not simultaneously touch the fitting and any extraneous conductive part, and you make a note at the consumer unit it's acceptable. These criteria were met on the property until they lowered there kitchen ceiling! Told them that they now need a class 2 fitting so out they went and brought 3 x class 2 spot lights.I then had to tell them I wouldnt be fitting them unless the circuit was rewired or a seperate c.p.c pulled in. They didnt fancy the work involved in doing this so eventually settled for a single class 2 fitting to replace the fluorescent.
 

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