Part P

[DurhamSparky]

Just to sum it up


Part P is a building Regulation that is statutory and which must be followed when carrying out electrical work in domestic property.

Part P is NOT a qualification and any body going around saying they are Part P qualified and have a certificate are talking Bull....!! You DO NOT need to do a 2 week VRQ course
Electrical Course | Part P Electricial Course like this one with a training scheme to register as a Competent Person.

YOU NEED TO BE COMPETENT....!! this can be achieved by undertaking formal Electrical Quals at a college or by a training provider...!!

You do however need to know about the building Regs and Part P....!! you can download Approved Document P from the planning portal website.

The following schemes are the most popular with domestic sparks. Elecsa, Niceic and Napit. Upon registration with them you will be required to conduct a formal technical site assessment that will involve you changing or modifying the electrical set up drastically (Rewire/ Cu Change)

If you pass the assessment you are then freely allowed to carry out work in areas designated by building control that fall under the Part P umbrella http://www.partp.co.uk/downloads/public/CLGbuildingworkleaflet.pdf and any work that you carry out can be notified and signed off through them (the schemes) at a small cost (£2-4) and they will inform LABC for you.

If you decide not to register with a Part P scheme. be preared that notification of work to LABC can cost hundreds of pounds and drastically increase your price. They will also expect you to still carry out the tests and paperwork before they arrive to SIGN IT OFF


Recommended courses to do are:

A formal Technical Certificate that is achieved at Level 3 on the NQF (National Qualification Framework) i.e

C&G 2330 or BTEC Advanced/National Diploma.... This gives you the Underpinning Knowledge to build on. (achieved via college or distance learning 18months - 24months is time scale)

You will also Need 17th Edition Wiring Regulations C&G 2382 (if you dont have this you wont get any where in the trade.)

NVQ 3 2356 (its a Craft Certificate that although not needed is very desirable and normally achieved when doing an Apprenticeship but now freely available to "Bolt on" to your current Qualifications via distant learning.

C&G 2391 the ultimate qualification in the electrical world..! Inspection and Testing only to be achieved with considerable site and technical knowledge, closed book exam with a 30-40% pass rate.

C&G 2392 (lesser qualification of the 2391 and aimed at new sparks with little knowledge of inspection and testing, normally used as a starter course to grasp the fundamentals of what's required)

Signing off your work..!!!

you DO NOT need 2391 to sign of your work but you will be expected to have knowledge of inspection and testing to an achievable standard required to carry out and fill in the test results.
You also do not Need 2391 to carry out PIR's but should any thing happen and you go to court the 2391 certificate is your lifeline to prove competence in the field.



hope this helps...

comments and alterations welcome

 

[Spudnik]

Nice work Steve!

Mind you. its only so you dont have to keep repeating yourself

 

[DurhamSparky]

just seems to be the same questions over and over again..! hi im new what do i need..!! or i have been a spark for 20 years and can i sign off without 2391... blah blah!!

feel free to amend as seen fit or emphasis on it more..!

 

[Sparky Ninja]

Steve!!!








I love you!!

 

[DurhamSparky]

ssssshhh...!! keep it quiet! public forum..! lol

 

[Sparky Ninja]

ssssshhh...!! keep it quiet! public forum..! lol

Nu uh..... Everyone needs to hear your initial post. It's driven me mad over the past couple of years.

 

[DurhamSparky]

i know what you mean..! some people have blinkers on when it comes to what they need..!

 

[diamondixon]

I was going to ask the questions he answered. Thank you very much

 

[1billy wiz]

ALOT OF PEOPLE SEEM TO FRIGHTEND TO CALL BODIES & ASK, me included

you need insurance aswell to be registerd right???

i need to buy part-p document or download it!!

so say i was to do a pir & they never had fire alarm's, does that mean they are not compliant???

do home seller's need pir's???

 

[Phil]

you need public liability to insure your work and indemnity if you were to offer your professional services in respect of periodic inspections.

 

[gaz76]

quick question on part p

Steve your post cleared up quite a few things, but could you tell me how long you get to register a job?
I've just rewired a house that I'm moving into, I'm not with any of the schemes napit elecsa etc.

If I'm to use my house as a job for an assement, how long will the council wait until I get approved by a scheme?

I'm a fully qualified JIB spark btw

 

[Phil]

un officially it`s up to you when you did the work and when you get your membership if you were to notify it online with your scheme provider

 

[gaz76]

un officially it`s up to you when you did the work and when you get your membership if you were to notify it online with your scheme provider

so un officially i could notify the council in a years time?

 

[Phil]

i notified a cu replacement that i used for my assessment when i got my membership through mate, it was not a year but if you have done it to the regs and no body is any the wiser i would say it is up to you when you do register it althoguh that is not an official answer. when are you joining a scheme?

 

[gaz76]

i notified a cu replacement that i used for my assessment when i got my membership through mate, it was not a year but if you have done it to the regs and no body is any the wiser i would say it is up to you when you do register it althoguh that is not an official answer. when are you joining a scheme?

looking at joining a scheme as soon as really, not got the 17th yet so may have to sort that out first as the op states you need your 17th, although the elecsa website says it is preferred but not a requirement, if I have read it right

 

[Phil]

"You may still pass the assessment by demonstrating competence through your thorough understanding of the IEE Wiring Regulations without a qualification but you will be required to achieve the qualifications within the first 12 months of your registration."

 

[gaz76]

"You may still pass the assessment by demonstrating competence through your thorough understanding of the IEE Wiring Regulations without a qualification but you will be required to achieve the qualifications within the first 12 months of your registration."

yep thats what I meant

 

[Phil]

give them a ring mate tell them what quals you have and take it from there they are friendly set up there and will sort you out.

 

[Guest123]

so un officially i could notify the council in a years time?

No, you have 30 days from the completion date of the job which will of course be on the certificate you issue for the work you have done.

 

[odigi]

Thanks Steve, but one question (don't bite me head off): I'm saving up money to get on the NICEIC, so in the mean time can I do a full scope part P course to be able to sign of my work and not have to pay building control or would I have to pay building control anyway? my highest cert is 17th edition.

 

[Spudnik]

You either pay your LABC to notify or join a scheme.

 

[odigi]

You either pay your LABC to notify or join a scheme.

rang my LABC today and they say they stopped doing this service as its not in the interest of their residents, since an electrician using this service would have to charge more. more jobs for the pro's I guess

 

[ELIMINATOR GUY]

Damn, just joined the forum, it said I was logged in, spent 21 mins typing loads of info and questions on part P, clicked submit and it said I do not have permission and booted me out.
I then had to read my email and log in again. ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGG

Oh, hello everyone...

I am new to this, so will try again tomorrow, lol

Eliminator Guy

 

[Phil]

Damn, just joined the forum, it said I was logged in, spent 21 mins typing loads of info and questions on part P, clicked submit and it said I do not have permission and booted me out.
I then had to read my email and log in again. ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGG

Oh, hello everyone...

I am new to this, so will try again tomorrow, lol

Eliminator Guy

you might want to post it here but welcome all the same

 

[andyb]

rang my LABC today and they say they stopped doing this service as its not in the interest of their residents, since an electrician using this service would have to charge more. more jobs for the pro's I guess

Part P says the work must be notified before work commences, unless you're in a scheme.

I would suggest that as long as you tell your lbc and you carry out the work to bs7671, then you have complied with the law.

What they do once you notify is up to them, but by my reading of the part p document I would suggest that you are are covered.

 

[ELIMINATOR GUY]

Morning folks, I will try again as I need some advice.

I was 40 last week and when I left school I worked with my dad for a few years doing domestic installation (he was a self emlpoyed spark) I then moved on to other things like working in warehouse then moved on to HGV driving. Then 2 years ago I got type 1 diabetes. Due to taking insulin dvla took my HGV licence away, so I have been trying to get back into the domestic installation game, at the start of this year I went to collage to sign up for a 2330 course, but was told that city & guilds have withdrawn the 2330 from sept 2010 so I would not be able to do it.
So I phoned the NICEIC and asked them what do I need to legaly do domestic house rewires on my own, the NIC told me I need 17th and part "P" then I could do full or part domestic installation rewires, then give them £435+VAT and they would inspect 2 of my jobs, if all is good, I would be registered and approved by NICEIC.

So I went to a private training course and did my IEE 17th edition last month, then did my part "P" 2 weeks ago, but after reading the start of this thread, I feel that I have wasted my time,

What I need to know is, now I have passed both of these how does it work...

If I do a full house rewire and want to sign my work off, were do I get the certificates from ?

or

Do I do the rewire then phone NICEIC and once they have tested my work, do they give me the certificates ?

Any advice would be great.
thanks

Eliminator Guy

 

[lecstar]

Certificates can be copied from the Wiring Regs Book (big red one) or Approved doc P.
You can also download them from NICEIC ELESA NAPIT etc.

 

[Phil]

if the nic are still the same they will require you to use their own certs which you can order direct fromm them or from city electrical if you want to save on the postage costs.

 

[ELIMINATOR GUY]

if the nic are still the same they will require you to use their own certs which you can order direct fromm them or from city electrical if you want to save on the postage costs.

I just phoned my local city electrical factors and they said they don't do anything like that, would prob have to get them from NICEIC.

What is the cert I issue actually called as I have seen some saying 17th edition and others saying part P domestic installation ?

Thanks

 

[ELIMINATOR GUY]

Certificates can be copied from the Wiring Regs Book (big red one) or Approved doc P.
You can also download them from NICEIC ELESA NAPIT etc.

Can't download anything from NICEIC as they website says I do not have permission, is that coz I am not a member yet ?