NICEIC Certification Scheme comfused by NICEIC statement

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confused by statement by NICEIC that this ok? Electrician compliant as circuit not energised. Can anyone tell me how NICEIC can make statement like this and assess wiring ok when they haven been to my house to inspect
see attached the work left like this on Aug14th and I cant get it removed until somebody says it non compliant

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Is it energised or not?..

NICEIC will have consulted with there member and they must have said it is not energised, if this is true then what is the issue?
If however it is energised or has been left in a scenario where it can be accidentally energised then I would get independent verification from a competent person and pass that on to NICEIC.
 
Why do you want it removed?
It’s a bit odd that they haven’t joined the 2 legs of the CPC together, but other than that, can’t see anything wrong.
 
hoitytoity said:
confused by statement by NICEIC that this ok? Electrician compliant as circuit not energised. Can anyone tell me how NICEIC can make statement like this and assess wiring ok when they haven been to my house to inspect
see attached the work left like this on Aug14th and I cant get it removed until somebody says it non compliant

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Are you saying that this is going to be left like this and covered over? if yes then it is obviously non compliant, if however it is left like this not engineered, locked off until the plastering has been done, so all OK. One point though that cable doesn't look like 2.5mm2m why because one of those cpcs looks suspiciously like it#s yellow and not G/Y Just saying.
 
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Is the circuit breaker turned off and does it have some form of locking device on it?

If the circuit is locked off then it is fine as it is. If it is live then there’s an issue as a bit of tape isn’t suitable to protect against direct contact. Also we don’t know how the cables are jointed together.

TBH those conductors look a little short but that could just be the photo.
 
and depends what's under the tape, choc blocks , fire nuts, or just twisted?????
 
my issue is the plaster board is 1 1/2 in front of the socket metal frame. The socket face plate would have a 1in gap between the face plate and the frame. The person who put the wiring in also fixed the plaster board to finish. Why am I the only one seeing this? Surely an 1in gap is not good?
 
Strima said:
Is the circuit breaker turned off and does it have some form of locking device on it?

If the circuit is locked off then it is fine as it is. If it is live then there’s an issue as a bit of tape isn’t suitable to protect against direct contact. Also we don’t know how the cables are jointed together.

TBH those conductors look a little short but that could just be the photo.
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they are too short. Thankyou
 
Strima said:
Is the circuit breaker turned off and does it have some form of locking device on it?

If the circuit is locked off then it is fine as it is. If it is live then there’s an issue as a bit of tape isn’t suitable to protect against direct contact. Also we don’t know how the cables are jointed together.

TBH those conductors look a little short but that could just be the photo.
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it's taped over
 
hoitytoity said:
my issue is the plaster board is 1 1/2 in front of the socket metal frame. The socket face plate would have a 1in gap between the face plate and the frame. The person who put the wiring in also fixed the plaster board to finish. Why am I the only one seeing this? Surely an 1in gap is not good?
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Not really a problem.
A collar can be installed to take up the gap.
Most times, just longer screws are used.
 
As long as the plasterboard is accurately cut to match the box I can't see an issue with the box being deep, it would just need longer platescrews, and it would be easy to remove the box and fix a little batten in behind to bring it out flush with the plasterboard anyway.
This does seem a bit trivial TBH, are there other underlying issues here ?
 
Pete999 said:
Are you saying that this is going to be left like this and covered over? if yes then it is obviously non compliant, if however it is left like this not engineered, locked off until the plastering has been done, so all OK. One point though that cable doesn't look like 2.5mm2m why because one of those cpcs looks suspiciously like it#s yellow and not G/Y Just saying.
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Sorry for the bad spelling, engineered should read energised, darn spell checks.
 
You are correct in that they should be longer but this is simply resolved, it does happen as every detail in a build is not always as perceived or expected hence we usually give a little allowance for these things or ensure we know the depth.
That aside I don't think it warrants the reaction you are giving, it is simply going to need a small joint and longer tails out to the socket, the gap between the board and the metal box is a none issue, the only criticism would be this is not locked off supply, again he may have confidence in you that you are aware of the situation and circumstances mean that it is not going to be accidentally switch on, it may not be the prescribed method but unless something has occurred or you perceive it may be switched on by accident then I wouldn't make an issue out of it.
You're at risk of falling out with your electrician over a minor issue, did you discuss this with them and what was there answer if so that made you decide to contact the NICEIC.
 
hoitytoity said:
you think they used lighting cable?
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the builder was kicked off the job as he left it like this since 14th Aug. How is a 1in gap a non issue between the face plate and frame. Surely the metal frames should have been fixed to battens so the face plate would be fixed securely over with no movement. Also hole cut in plaster board is bigger than the frame.
 
What did you specifically complain to the NICEIC about? Was it just that the socket had been left in that state and was live? Did you raise concerns with the spark befor reporting to NICEIC?
 
I personally think it is a poorly fitted back box plus it looks as if those conductors will need extending.
 
hoitytoity said:
the builder was kicked off the job as he left it like this since 14th Aug. How is a 1in gap a non issue between the face plate and frame. Surely the metal frames should have been fixed to battens so the face plate would be fixed securely over with no movement. Also hole cut in plaster board is bigger than the frame.
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Ok, so when did he get kicked off and why was it left like that? Could be a very good reason.
 
If the hole is bigger then that is down to the plasterer or builder for not cutting it correctly, having a gap like I said is not an issue as long as the live terminals are not accessible or exposed when second fixed.
I get the impression this has been a bit of a rocky ride and only having one side of the story means it is difficult to give a overall view but as for the issues we can see then we can give you our professional opinion.
Maybe it is the perspective in the photo but it doesn't come across as been too big a hole but if that is the case then all that needs to be done at this stage is the section of plasterboard to be cut out and a new piece put in with a correctly side socket cutout. A deeper metal box could also be fitted but that is not really a issue tbh.
 
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SparkyChick said:
So, playing devils advocate... why did the spark leave it like that in the first place?
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because he went onto another job, didn't prep the room properly for the plasterer to carry on. Plasterer refused to touch this wall and walked off the job. It's been like that ever since. The electrician is also the builder. The plaster board is also on an external solid wall so water vapour builds up. The plaster board wall has mould on it where the dot and dabs are.
 
darkwood said:
If the hole is bigger then that is down to the plasterer or builder for not cutting it correctly, having a gap like I said is not an issue as long as the live terminals are not accessible or exposed when second fixed.
I get the impression this has been a bit of a rocky ride and only having one side of the story means it is difficult to give a overall view but as for the issues we can see then we can give you our professional opinion.
Maybe it is the perspective in the photo but it doesn't come across as been too big a hole but if that is the case then all that needs to be done at this stage is the section of plasterboard to be cut out and a new piece put in with a correctly side socket cutout. A deeper metal box could also be fitted but that is not really a issue tbh.
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thankyou
 
hoitytoity said:
bec

because he went onto another job, didn't prep the room properly for the plasterer to carry on. Plasterer refused to touch this wall and walked off the job. It's been like that ever since. The electrician is also the builder. The plaster board is also on an external solid wall so water vapour builds up. The plaster board wall has mould on it where the dot and dabs are.
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The "Electrician" being one and the same as the builder, reinforces my suspicion that the cable isn't 2.5mm2, a suspicion may I add, to the normal builder, all cables look the same, 2.5, 1.5 after all it's Blue and Brown with an earth wire isn't it?, like I said I can't be sure, just a gut feeling that's all.
 
hoitytoity said:
confused by statement by NICEIC that this ok? Electrician compliant as circuit not energised. Can anyone tell me how NICEIC can make statement like this and assess wiring ok when they haven been to my house to inspect
see attached the work left like this on Aug14th and I cant get it removed until somebody says it non compliant

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I would have thought the Electrician did a good job but didn't know the walls would be dry lined afterwards otherwise the Electrician would have just screwed the back box to the wall, otherwise I can see nothing wrong IMO.
 
Pete999 said:
The "Electrician" being one and the same as the builder, reinforces my suspicion that the cable isn't 2.5mm2, a suspicion may I add, to the normal builder, all cables look the same, 2.5, 1.5 after all it's Blue and Brown with an earth wire isn't it?, like I said I can't be sure, just a gut feeling that's all.
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It is 2.5 Pete, 2.5!!
 
Pete999 said:
Are you saying that this is going to be left like this and covered over? if yes then it is obviously non compliant, if however it is left like this not engineered, locked off until the plastering has been done, so all OK. One point though that cable doesn't look like 2.5mm2m why because one of those cpcs looks suspiciously like it#s yellow and not G/Y Just saying.
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Why is that Bob, the disagree I mean?
 

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