NICEIC Certification Scheme comfused by NICEIC statement

[ChrisElectrical88]

Jesus, what a horrible person, i dont blame him for dipping out of the job, your an estate agent, not a QS.

You will be laughed out of court if your saying the electrical installation in dangerous by a taped over MCB and a bit of a gap behind the plasterboard.

Maybe you shouldnt have gone with the cheapest quote and done your reserch on the contractor more.

Your right, thread over, becaise with ypur attitude not many people on here will be willing to help.

 

[buzzlightyear]

the op has came on this forum trying. to pick are brains , so that he had a enough information to give to his breif , has this a public forum the op has shouting about the trademan work , wheather a tinker , a builder or a spark , i hope that person has not seen what you have put on here.

 

[richy3333]

Thats an hour of my life lost reading this garbled thread.

Just reinforces why I don't work for estate agents. Guess this sort of estate agent also insists on EICR's for tuppence!?

 

[snowhead]

So many unanswered questions

 

[buzzlightyear]

a hour R3333, its taking me two just to catch up ,it is now getting like reading the book war &peace.

 

[hoitytoity]

we've established that it's clearly not finished . I said thread over two pages ago. That is all i need to know. I really worry for your industry when you defend a spark trying to do very poor building work as well as you think it's right he should be taking me to court for unfinished work.

You have been nothing but downright offensive towards my profession. One of the many profession that allows you to make a living.

i hope your future customers are not reading your threads.

 

[GMES]

we've established that it's clearly not finished . I said thread over two pages ago. That is all i need to know. I really worry for your industry when you defend a spark trying to do very poor building work as well as you think it's right he should be taking me to court for unfinished work.

You have been nothing but downright offensive towards my profession. One of the many profession that allows you to make a living.

i hope your future customers are not reading your threads.

I'll entertain you a bit longer!!!
Can you just clarify what you are, because according to another of your threads you're also a future electrician or are you an estate agent.
Old DIY enthusiast - learning on the job - https://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/threads/old-diy-enthusiast-learning-on-the-job.168777/

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Estate agents dont make me a living, wouldnt touch them with a barge pole. Couldnt care less what the building work looks like, its the electrics im intrested in, and from the pictures you have shown of the socket... Its fine.

 

[buzzlightyear]

he comes on this forum and shouts a trade person down .
Knowing that the fact he has enrolled in college.come back when you are quilifed..and then have your say .
untill then next time to keep your council to your self.

 

[solarsavings]

The man on the internet said..........................

I hope you show this whole thread to the court instead of just the bits you hope will help you.

 

[magnoliafan89]

a 1in gap between a faceplate and frame is not good news

.....why??? The hole could have been cut smaller but lots of places ive seen if they havent used a dry lining box the metal back box is normally a distance away. Just use longer face plate screws. Have you ever seen a kitchen socket with tiles around it?

 

[FatAlan]

I stopped reading this thread 3hours ago I can’t belive it’s still going

Welcome back

 

[magnoliafan89]

Also how do you know that this circuit is internally connected? Did you remove the cu cover? If so i hope you turned it off before doing so....

 

[hoitytoity]

Also how do you know that this circuit is internally connected? Did you remove the cu cover? If so i hope you turned it off before doing so....

yes I did

 

[goasis]

a hour R3333, its taking me two just to catch up ,it is now getting like reading the book war &peace.

Or maybe a bit of Shakespeare, 'much ado about nothing'!!

 

[hoitytoity]

estate agent is my profession plus Im a,budding diyer mainly carpentry matters plus trainee electrician (started this year) . AGAIN No need to be so rude.

I MADE A STATEMENT VERY EARLY ON IN THIS THREAD THAT I HAD ALL THE INFO I NEEDED. You have made this thread into something it isn't. If you simply repeating what a previous electrician has said, please don't go and undermine him with another posting and don't go on rambling about 'bloody customers'. it gives the impression that you've been in trouble many times.


NOW PLEASE STOP POSTING FOR PITYS SAKE!

 

[andyb]

we've established that it's clearly not finished . I said thread over two pages ago. That is all i need to know.

You posted a picture of a socket without the faceplate on, it hardly needed to be 'established' that it's not finished.

I really worry for your industry when you defend a spark trying to do very poor building work as well as you think it's right he should be taking me to court for unfinished work.

No one's defended bad building work, this is an electricians forum, look it up.
Maybe you should try a builders forum.

You have been nothing but downright offensive towards my profession.

To be fair to the lads and lasses on this forum, your 'profession' is an easy target really. I imagine you get this wherever you pop up on line.

 

[goasis]

I'm sure this thread would have been alot shorter if;
1 You'd been clearer what you were asking in your first post
2 you'd answered people's questions clearly
3 the story and so called facts hadn't kept changing along the way
4 you hadn't been quite so abrasive.

Still, all's well that ends well, and it's been pretty entertaining.

 

[Toneyz]

I am asking myself why would an electrician/builder take their customer to court and the only reason that I can think of is non-payment and you are clutching at straws of reasons why you have not paid him. All through this post facts are being added. From what you have posted the only thing that I can see is safe isolation I am guessing that this is live to retain sockets working in the rest of the building and an extension box should have been fitted and a blank plate or socket.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Hows the job suppose to be finished when the wall isnt skimmed?

 

[hasel5]

What a total plank

 

[GBDamo]

So, you've hired an electrician who is also a builder to carry out remedial works. This guy came recommended by your painter and decorator. So far I see nothing wrong with what you've done.

The damp issue is not electrically related so this is the wrong place to discuss it, having said that as the Electrician/Builder (E/B) has represented himself as competent to carry out this work then he is responsible for it being to a reasonable standard which it clearly isn't. Again I can see nothing wrong in what you have done.

This assumes that the work done is by his recommended method using his recommended materials. If on the other hand he is carrying out works to somebody else's specification then that's a different situation.

To clarify, if you have instructed the E/B to board out the wall and make good the electrical issues and not specifically mentioned that there is a damp issue to resolve then you're on sticky ground.

This is quite typical in that work is often tendered without a clear specification in the hope a contractor spends time, effort and money diagnosing problems and proposing solutions.

From a contractors point of view this is frustrating as many unscrupulous clients then put this work product out to tender looking for the lowest possible price.

The electrical issue you've presented us with is trivial and easily remedied and I don't believe is the cause of your conflict, rather an attempt to add supporting evidence to your defense of the E/B's claim.

Other than possibly not being competent to source these kind of works you haven't done a great deal wrong if, and it's the big if, you've told us everything.

I'd personally be reviewing all my communications and making sure all details are correct and that the E/B has definitely failed to deliver against what is written, not what you think should have been done.

Also I'd be communicating with the E/B and attempting to resolve the issues by mutual consent.

Oh and change career, estate agents are scum and it should be held against you in court, in my humble opinion.

 

[GMES]

NOW PLEASE STOP POSTING FOR PITYS SAKE!

You do realise you can leave the thread whenever you want!!!
If you go to a party and decide to leave early, does that mean all the other guests have to stop talking once you've left.

 

[DPG]

Personally I hope he keeps posting. I'm sure he will as he seems to be like a dog with a bone.

 

[snowhead]

Personally I hope he keeps posting. I'm sure he will as he seems to be like a dog with a bone.

Is that a known fact or assumption?

 

[Sintra]

He / she or it must think they’re forum staff giving out the orders like that

 

[DPG]

Is that a known fact or assumption?

OK, he/she then.

 

[MDJ]

No one can say I am not well behaved, I mean Not jumping in over the last 5 or 6 pages have been very difficult, but I managed it lol, this thread is turning into a road crash and the OP is driving lol.

 

[GMES]

I think we should keep it going for them in their absence.
Plus the fact it will annoy the hell out of them.

Me childish, who said that.

 

[ipf]

I wrote this message out (below)
yesterday at about 3.50pm.....and forgot to post it as a reply. Unfortunately, I've just spent a wasted 30 mins reading some usual bunkum, as a result. Maybe I should have recognized signs of an estate agent/DIY builder/trainee electrician.....and even the fact there was going to be a court case involved.

''It looks like someone's after a bit of vindication...…..again!
A load of Maarrd and minor points when all he needs is someone on site to inspect and give a good idea of how the situation stands. He's after free info....as long as it concurs with his mindset.''

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

One of the top 5 posts ive been invokved in this forum, the fact the estate agent is on an electrical course is a classic.

Wonder what course it is, would be amazing if hes a boil in the bag.

 

[ipf]

One of the top 5 posts ive been invokved in this forum, the fact the estate agent is on an electrical course is a classic.

Wonder what course it is, would be amazing if hes a boil in the bag.

If he is, he needs lancing.

 

[richy3333]

He must have big balls to admit he’s an estate agent on public forum.

I’m gonna keep posting just to pish him off

 

[frontier219]

OP - This is a witch hunt, nothing more, nothing less. From the photos you have shown there is nothing electrically wrong with that work at the moment - but clearly you will cherry pick responses to suit your agenda. All I can say is good luck to your tradesman, I hope he gets paid for the work he has completed.

 

[Silly Sausage]

You have been nothing but downright offensive towards my profession.

Estate agent, a profession?
Professional money leecher, you have the basis of a serious case to argue!

 

[hoitytoity]

thank you for response.
Builder/electrician specified.
i have paid the B/E for the work done to date and over (33% of the job)
The b/e has been overly agressive and threatening. Had breached gdpr too

and no I am not scum - that is disgusting. Have you been taken to court by one?

i can now see exactly why the general public despise tradespeople with the absolutely disgusting comments in this thread alone.
if you have had difficultly with many customers perhaps its you who should change your attitude

 

[Sintra]

thank you for response.
Builder/electrician specified.
i have paid the B/E for the work done to date and over (33% of the job)
The b/e has been overly agressive and threatening. Had breached gdpr too

and no I am not scum - that is disgusting. Have you been taken to court by one?

i can now see exactly why the general public despise tradespeople with the absolutely disgusting comments in this thread alone.
if you have had difficultly with many customers perhaps its you who should change your attitude

Why has the work not been completed then? Did you ditch the builder/electrician or did they walk?

 

[Toneyz]

confused by statement by NICEIC that this ok? Electrician compliant as circuit not energised. Can anyone tell me how NICEIC can make statement like this and assess wiring ok when they haven been to my house to inspect
see attached the work left like this on Aug14th and I cant get it removed until somebody says it non compliant

View attachment 45946

1. What is the statement from the NICEIC can we see a copy with addresses blanked out?
2. What makes you convinced that this is energised?
3. why does this need to be removed?
4. There is no mention in your opening post regarding court case what is the electrician/builder taking you to court for?

 

[Dave OCD]

thank you for response.
Builder/electrician specified.
i have paid the B/E for the work done to date and over (33% of the job)
The b/e has been overly agressive and threatening. Had breached gdpr too

and no I am not scum - that is disgusting. Have you been taken to court by one?

i can now see exactly why the general public despise tradespeople with the absolutely disgusting comments in this thread alone.
if you have had difficultly with many customers perhaps its you who should change your attitude

That's priceless coming from an Estate Agent ! However also a rather venemous statement, why then do you aspire to be an electrician ? Perhaps to carry out EICRs and/or remedial works on your 'managed' [and I use that word optimistically] properties ?
You can leech even more from landlords then ?!
A tradesman with integrity is always welcomed by a decent customer, and appreciated too, the key word is possibly decent....

 

[GBDamo]

and no I am not scum - that is disgusting.

A bit overemotional there.

In life we are judged by the choices we make and you chose to be an estate agent, why? local collage not doing double glazing sales courses.

And taking a few pictures and measuring rooms is not a profession.