NICEIC Certification Scheme comfused by NICEIC statement

[hoitytoity]

um, about £130 to get another electrician to finish the job properly. £130 I've already paid yep so it is a problem

 

[hoitytoity]

And just be clear I'm not a domestic customer if you are going to be that rude. This builder/electrician was contracted in at short notice forming part of an ongoing project. I'm an estate agent on the rental property market and they won't be used again and certainly not after the court case. The rest of the building work has been condemned by the surveyor.

 

[hoitytoity]

I personally think it is a poorly fitted back box plus it looks as if those conductors will need extending.

thank you

 

[Sintra]

the builder is the electrician. I've said this about 4 times in the thread

That’s not the question I asked. I’m not stupid and have already read that the builder is the electrician.

um no, i have not said the builder was kicked off. I haven't said that once in my thread

More likely he’s walked off after having the misfortune of working for you.

but as a NICEIC electrician, he should know better and knowtheplasterboard is incorrect. Very worrying indeed

So now part of being an electrician is knowing about plasterboard. At least you’ve made me laugh once tonight but that is a pathetic statement.

it's taped not locked off at fuse box. That's my big issu

Might not even be connected internally.

And just be clear I'm not a domestic customer if you are going to be that rude. This builder/electrician was contracted in at short notice forming part of an ongoing project. I'm an estate agent on the rental property market and they won't be used again and certainly not after the court case. The rest of the building work has been condemned by the surveyor.

Probably doing them a favour tbh.

 

[Strima]

Estate agent, I’m out.

 

[FatAlan]

of course you get lime plasterboard

Show me? Thought lime plaster was the old style plaster made from lime and sand, that is porous and mainly used on older buildings with solid stone walls or requirements due to listed status. What is the point of a lime plaster board over normal modern plaster board? I stand to be corrected!

 

[hoitytoity]

That’s not the question I asked. I’m not stupid and have already read that the builder is the electrician.

More likely he’s walked off after having the misfortune of working for you.

So now part of being an electrician is knowing about plasterboard. At least you’ve made me laugh once tonight but that is a pathetic statement.

Might not even be connected internally.

Probably doing them a favour tbh.

learn to read properly, learn to read

 

[hoitytoity]

That’s not the question I asked. I’m not stupid and have already read that the builder is the electrician.

More likely he’s walked off after having the misfortune of working for you.

So now part of being an electrician is knowing about plasterboard. At least you’ve made me laugh once tonight but that is a pathetic statement.

Might not even be connected internally.

Probably doing them a favour tbh.

learn to read properly, learn to read

 

[hoitytoity]

for Christ sake, it is connected internally !!!!

 

[FatAlan]

Must admit that if that work was part of a RFC in a property that was occupied and livened up in that condition I would not be happy. It wouldn’t have been too difficult to put a socket or blank plate on if there was a gap prior to plastering

 

[Sintra]

such much to learn! Just enrolled at college

Lol a trainee last month and an estate agent this month.

Hello,
Last year I had a double socket (1) put in my room which was spurred off the ring main by a registered electrician.

This year, another company : -
i) installed two double sockets (2) and (3) either side of (1) and made the connection with flex wire
ii) left the blue and brown wires exposed under the new casing to (1) (he exposed the wires to the old cable that comes up through the floor )
iii) both flex cable was buried behind new skirting
iv) no certificate was left signed by reg'd electrician

I've deemed the work unacceptable but really want to learn where in the Regs it states it definitely is. Have had various electricians give their opinion but all very different and that's very worrying in deed. Still waiting for the certificate. Some say i) is ok with a cert, some say none of it ok. Thank you for your time reading this.

Another example of you stirring the pot.

for Christ sake, it is connected internally !!!!

Are you sure???

 

[Rosco]

I stopped reading this thread 3hours ago I can’t belive it’s still going

 

[Sintra]

learn to read properly, learn to read

I can read fine thanks. Pity you can’t be honest.

 

[Rpa07]

So many new facts in the last page - estate agent not telling it like it is?
Congratulations you’ve made it.
Now I just have to get your voice out of my head - will I sleep, may need some whale sounds! Night night!

 

[buzzlightyear]

if the op is a estate agent , why is he asking the forum.
you think he would know better.
If he has made a contract with the builder.god help him in court.
all i can say good luck .not .
Maybe the builder/spark had his pants pull down .
not happy with the job .sack him .
I would like to hear from the other side .

 

[MFS Electrical]

so we agree that the plaster board should be accurately cut to the frame, a deeper frame or collar should have been used or the frame battened out and it shouldn't have been taped over at the fuse box but locked off. And wires are short. Surely NICEIC should have included this is their report? I personally have a very big issue with gypsum plasterboard being applied to a solid exterior wall as moisture gets trapped behind the gypsum so it's damp between the exterior wall and back of gypsum plasterboard. Damp and a 1in gap between a faceplate and frame is not good news

The damp issue should have been sorted first but that’s another forum you need for that. Whether or not the backbox is tight to the gyproc if there was condensation it would still get into the box. It would be easily fixed come 2nd fix with the use of a deeper box but to be fair there are thousands if not millions of installs out there that have the same setup I think the issue is one you must take up with trading standards about workmanship and professional standards rather than the NICEIC. And my best advice to you would be to not employ a jack of all trades when it comes around to picking contractors to do this properly. There are very good reasons why builders should stick to buildings plumbers to water and sparks to electricity. The attitude that electrics are easy is one that will end up with tragedy one day. Stick with tried and tested professionals who come recommended. And remember just because it works doesn’t mean it’s safe.

 

[MFS Electrical]

NICEIC isn’t a qualification.

And just because he’s registered doesn’t mean he is actually any good

 

[goasis]

I'd still like to know whether the builder was kicked off site or not as the op has stated both scenarios as fact... Better get your story straight before the "court case" !!

The damp is also probably a non issue, esp if you've had no heating in this building for a while, it would be inevitable you're talking nonsense about lime plasterboard. Get a dehumidifier in.
(why let a good thread die!!?)

 

[Pete999]

NICEIC isn’t a qualification.

Don't tell the NICEIC that, they will get all uppity and indignant.

 

[GMES]

for Christ sake, it is connected internally !!!!

Well aren't you just a little bundle of joy.
I haven't read all 8 pages nor will I, what I have gathered from snippets of it though is that your story keeps changing.
This is a public forum so lose the attitude or your account, the choice is yours.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Jesus, what a horrible person, i dont blame him for dipping out of the job, your an estate agent, not a QS.

You will be laughed out of court if your saying the electrical installation in dangerous by a taped over MCB and a bit of a gap behind the plasterboard.

Maybe you shouldnt have gone with the cheapest quote and done your reserch on the contractor more.

Your right, thread over, becaise with ypur attitude not many people on here will be willing to help.

 

[buzzlightyear]

the op has came on this forum trying. to pick are brains , so that he had a enough information to give to his breif , has this a public forum the op has shouting about the trademan work , wheather a tinker , a builder or a spark , i hope that person has not seen what you have put on here.

 

[richy3333]

Thats an hour of my life lost reading this garbled thread.

Just reinforces why I don't work for estate agents. Guess this sort of estate agent also insists on EICR's for tuppence!?

 

[snowhead]

So many unanswered questions

 

[buzzlightyear]

a hour R3333, its taking me two just to catch up ,it is now getting like reading the book war &peace.

 

[hoitytoity]

we've established that it's clearly not finished . I said thread over two pages ago. That is all i need to know. I really worry for your industry when you defend a spark trying to do very poor building work as well as you think it's right he should be taking me to court for unfinished work.

You have been nothing but downright offensive towards my profession. One of the many profession that allows you to make a living.

i hope your future customers are not reading your threads.

 

[GMES]

we've established that it's clearly not finished . I said thread over two pages ago. That is all i need to know. I really worry for your industry when you defend a spark trying to do very poor building work as well as you think it's right he should be taking me to court for unfinished work.

You have been nothing but downright offensive towards my profession. One of the many profession that allows you to make a living.

i hope your future customers are not reading your threads.

I'll entertain you a bit longer!!!
Can you just clarify what you are, because according to another of your threads you're also a future electrician or are you an estate agent.
Old DIY enthusiast - learning on the job - https://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/threads/old-diy-enthusiast-learning-on-the-job.168777/

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Estate agents dont make me a living, wouldnt touch them with a barge pole. Couldnt care less what the building work looks like, its the electrics im intrested in, and from the pictures you have shown of the socket... Its fine.

 

[buzzlightyear]

he comes on this forum and shouts a trade person down .
Knowing that the fact he has enrolled in college.come back when you are quilifed..and then have your say .
untill then next time to keep your council to your self.

 

[solarsavings]

The man on the internet said..........................

I hope you show this whole thread to the court instead of just the bits you hope will help you.

 

[magnoliafan89]

a 1in gap between a faceplate and frame is not good news

.....why??? The hole could have been cut smaller but lots of places ive seen if they havent used a dry lining box the metal back box is normally a distance away. Just use longer face plate screws. Have you ever seen a kitchen socket with tiles around it?

 

[FatAlan]

I stopped reading this thread 3hours ago I can’t belive it’s still going

Welcome back

 

[magnoliafan89]

Also how do you know that this circuit is internally connected? Did you remove the cu cover? If so i hope you turned it off before doing so....

 

[hoitytoity]

Also how do you know that this circuit is internally connected? Did you remove the cu cover? If so i hope you turned it off before doing so....

yes I did

 

[goasis]

a hour R3333, its taking me two just to catch up ,it is now getting like reading the book war &peace.

Or maybe a bit of Shakespeare, 'much ado about nothing'!!

 

[hoitytoity]

estate agent is my profession plus Im a,budding diyer mainly carpentry matters plus trainee electrician (started this year) . AGAIN No need to be so rude.

I MADE A STATEMENT VERY EARLY ON IN THIS THREAD THAT I HAD ALL THE INFO I NEEDED. You have made this thread into something it isn't. If you simply repeating what a previous electrician has said, please don't go and undermine him with another posting and don't go on rambling about 'bloody customers'. it gives the impression that you've been in trouble many times.


NOW PLEASE STOP POSTING FOR PITYS SAKE!

 

[andyb]

we've established that it's clearly not finished . I said thread over two pages ago. That is all i need to know.

You posted a picture of a socket without the faceplate on, it hardly needed to be 'established' that it's not finished.

I really worry for your industry when you defend a spark trying to do very poor building work as well as you think it's right he should be taking me to court for unfinished work.

No one's defended bad building work, this is an electricians forum, look it up.
Maybe you should try a builders forum.

You have been nothing but downright offensive towards my profession.

To be fair to the lads and lasses on this forum, your 'profession' is an easy target really. I imagine you get this wherever you pop up on line.

 

[goasis]

I'm sure this thread would have been alot shorter if;
1 You'd been clearer what you were asking in your first post
2 you'd answered people's questions clearly
3 the story and so called facts hadn't kept changing along the way
4 you hadn't been quite so abrasive.

Still, all's well that ends well, and it's been pretty entertaining.

 

[Toneyz]

I am asking myself why would an electrician/builder take their customer to court and the only reason that I can think of is non-payment and you are clutching at straws of reasons why you have not paid him. All through this post facts are being added. From what you have posted the only thing that I can see is safe isolation I am guessing that this is live to retain sockets working in the rest of the building and an extension box should have been fitted and a blank plate or socket.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Hows the job suppose to be finished when the wall isnt skimmed?

 

[hasel5]

What a total plank

 

[GBDamo]

So, you've hired an electrician who is also a builder to carry out remedial works. This guy came recommended by your painter and decorator. So far I see nothing wrong with what you've done.

The damp issue is not electrically related so this is the wrong place to discuss it, having said that as the Electrician/Builder (E/B) has represented himself as competent to carry out this work then he is responsible for it being to a reasonable standard which it clearly isn't. Again I can see nothing wrong in what you have done.

This assumes that the work done is by his recommended method using his recommended materials. If on the other hand he is carrying out works to somebody else's specification then that's a different situation.

To clarify, if you have instructed the E/B to board out the wall and make good the electrical issues and not specifically mentioned that there is a damp issue to resolve then you're on sticky ground.

This is quite typical in that work is often tendered without a clear specification in the hope a contractor spends time, effort and money diagnosing problems and proposing solutions.

From a contractors point of view this is frustrating as many unscrupulous clients then put this work product out to tender looking for the lowest possible price.

The electrical issue you've presented us with is trivial and easily remedied and I don't believe is the cause of your conflict, rather an attempt to add supporting evidence to your defense of the E/B's claim.

Other than possibly not being competent to source these kind of works you haven't done a great deal wrong if, and it's the big if, you've told us everything.

I'd personally be reviewing all my communications and making sure all details are correct and that the E/B has definitely failed to deliver against what is written, not what you think should have been done.

Also I'd be communicating with the E/B and attempting to resolve the issues by mutual consent.

Oh and change career, estate agents are scum and it should be held against you in court, in my humble opinion.

 

[GMES]

NOW PLEASE STOP POSTING FOR PITYS SAKE!

You do realise you can leave the thread whenever you want!!!
If you go to a party and decide to leave early, does that mean all the other guests have to stop talking once you've left.

 

[DPG]

Personally I hope he keeps posting. I'm sure he will as he seems to be like a dog with a bone.

 

[snowhead]

Personally I hope he keeps posting. I'm sure he will as he seems to be like a dog with a bone.

Is that a known fact or assumption?

 

[Sintra]

He / she or it must think they’re forum staff giving out the orders like that

 

[DPG]

Is that a known fact or assumption?

OK, he/she then.

 

[MDJ]

No one can say I am not well behaved, I mean Not jumping in over the last 5 or 6 pages have been very difficult, but I managed it lol, this thread is turning into a road crash and the OP is driving lol.

 

[GMES]

I think we should keep it going for them in their absence.
Plus the fact it will annoy the hell out of them.

Me childish, who said that.

 

[ipf]

I wrote this message out (below)
yesterday at about 3.50pm.....and forgot to post it as a reply. Unfortunately, I've just spent a wasted 30 mins reading some usual bunkum, as a result. Maybe I should have recognized signs of an estate agent/DIY builder/trainee electrician.....and even the fact there was going to be a court case involved.

''It looks like someone's after a bit of vindication...…..again!
A load of Maarrd and minor points when all he needs is someone on site to inspect and give a good idea of how the situation stands. He's after free info....as long as it concurs with his mindset.''