NICEIC Certification Scheme comfused by NICEIC statement

[goasis]

the builder was kicked off the job as he left it like this since 14th Aug.

Just a little quote from your post on page 2....
Also thanks for the bad spelling note... I'm coMfused why you gave me it though

 

[Rosco]

I think this thread is going round in circles: OP what response are you expecting from us or what outcome would you like??

 

[hoitytoity]

Is this work subject to building control?
Why is the wall being boarded over?
What was the brief given to the Builder re materials to be used, is this in the form of a written contract?
Which room is this, if it's a kitchen is the board going to be tiled once plastered?

domestic works agreement so builder solution and spec.

 

[Deleted account]

domestic works agreement so builder solution and spec.

Four very good questions. 1 very good answer. How about another 3.

 

[Deleted account]

Rosco is right . I'm out.

 

[goasis]

Rosco is right . I'm out.

... Probably what his builder/electrician/tacker thought!!

 

[Toneyz]

but as a NICEIC electrician, he should know better and knowtheplasterboard is incorrect. Very worrying indeed

But the electrician/builder may well be going to fit an extension box on the 2nd fix it is hard to comment on an unfinished job.

 

[hoitytoity]

Not sure you can get lime plasterboard. Sounds like a big breakdown in communication with the builder/ electrician over the final finish of the wall/rendering.

of course you get lime plasterboard

 

[hoitytoity]

Walls get dot and dabbed all the time, plasterboard gets cut badly around back boxes all the time... Not a major concern. We get over it.
So the builders been kicked off and your complaining the job isn't finished?! Agree that if that circuit is energised you have some cause for complaint, other than that, stop snagging unfinished work

it's taped not locked off at fuse box. That's my big issu

 

[Deleted member 105166]

to move things on, do you have a new builder and a new electrician now?

 

[Fitzy]

Either use a metal extension box or replace backbox with a plastic plasterboard back box!

 

[hoitytoity]

Either use a metal extension box or replace backbox with a plastic plasterboard back box!

thankyou

 

[Jim_e_Jib]

it's taped not locked off at fuse box. That's my big issu

Stay strong, you can resist the temptation to switch that MCB on ;-)

If you don't think you can, ask the electrician/builder back to lock it off correctly.

 

[buzzlightyear]

FFS,this post is now getting like a murder on the orient express .

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Havent read the whole thread, cables look 2.5, couldnt care how bad the plasterboarding is nothing to do with the electrics or NIC. I would connect that socket up, test it, certify it and take the bill before i left, you sound a nightmare.

 

[buzzlightyear]

cables look 2.5,

I would

have you got big fingers when you are typing .corrected that for you .

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Phones awful for typing, swapped from IOS to Android, done me no favours

 

[hoitytoity]

Thank you for all your feedback. Now we've established there is a clear problem with the gap around the plaster board and the work is not finished.

I can now take this to my defence solicitor for the electrician's court case against me who is sueing me for the whole contract. Yes you heard that right. The builder/plasterer is sueing me for £5000 for unfinished work. The total job only cost £2000. Goodnight thread over and thankyou

 

[Sintra]

I think you will find that the general consensus is that there isn’t an issue with the gap as you call it.

 

[Strima]

Where's that thread about nightmare customers?

Take a look at my post #71, I have already given you on advice of what to do.

 

[hoitytoity]

um, about £130 to get another electrician to finish the job properly. £130 I've already paid yep so it is a problem

 

[hoitytoity]

And just be clear I'm not a domestic customer if you are going to be that rude. This builder/electrician was contracted in at short notice forming part of an ongoing project. I'm an estate agent on the rental property market and they won't be used again and certainly not after the court case. The rest of the building work has been condemned by the surveyor.

 

[hoitytoity]

I personally think it is a poorly fitted back box plus it looks as if those conductors will need extending.

thank you

 

[Sintra]

the builder is the electrician. I've said this about 4 times in the thread

That’s not the question I asked. I’m not stupid and have already read that the builder is the electrician.

um no, i have not said the builder was kicked off. I haven't said that once in my thread

More likely he’s walked off after having the misfortune of working for you.

but as a NICEIC electrician, he should know better and knowtheplasterboard is incorrect. Very worrying indeed

So now part of being an electrician is knowing about plasterboard. At least you’ve made me laugh once tonight but that is a pathetic statement.

it's taped not locked off at fuse box. That's my big issu

Might not even be connected internally.

And just be clear I'm not a domestic customer if you are going to be that rude. This builder/electrician was contracted in at short notice forming part of an ongoing project. I'm an estate agent on the rental property market and they won't be used again and certainly not after the court case. The rest of the building work has been condemned by the surveyor.

Probably doing them a favour tbh.

 

[Strima]

Estate agent, I’m out.

 

[FatAlan]

of course you get lime plasterboard

Show me? Thought lime plaster was the old style plaster made from lime and sand, that is porous and mainly used on older buildings with solid stone walls or requirements due to listed status. What is the point of a lime plaster board over normal modern plaster board? I stand to be corrected!

 

[hoitytoity]

That’s not the question I asked. I’m not stupid and have already read that the builder is the electrician.

More likely he’s walked off after having the misfortune of working for you.

So now part of being an electrician is knowing about plasterboard. At least you’ve made me laugh once tonight but that is a pathetic statement.

Might not even be connected internally.

Probably doing them a favour tbh.

learn to read properly, learn to read

 

[hoitytoity]

That’s not the question I asked. I’m not stupid and have already read that the builder is the electrician.

More likely he’s walked off after having the misfortune of working for you.

So now part of being an electrician is knowing about plasterboard. At least you’ve made me laugh once tonight but that is a pathetic statement.

Might not even be connected internally.

Probably doing them a favour tbh.

learn to read properly, learn to read

 

[hoitytoity]

for Christ sake, it is connected internally !!!!

 

[FatAlan]

Must admit that if that work was part of a RFC in a property that was occupied and livened up in that condition I would not be happy. It wouldn’t have been too difficult to put a socket or blank plate on if there was a gap prior to plastering

 

[Sintra]

such much to learn! Just enrolled at college

Lol a trainee last month and an estate agent this month.

Hello,
Last year I had a double socket (1) put in my room which was spurred off the ring main by a registered electrician.

This year, another company : -
i) installed two double sockets (2) and (3) either side of (1) and made the connection with flex wire
ii) left the blue and brown wires exposed under the new casing to (1) (he exposed the wires to the old cable that comes up through the floor )
iii) both flex cable was buried behind new skirting
iv) no certificate was left signed by reg'd electrician

I've deemed the work unacceptable but really want to learn where in the Regs it states it definitely is. Have had various electricians give their opinion but all very different and that's very worrying in deed. Still waiting for the certificate. Some say i) is ok with a cert, some say none of it ok. Thank you for your time reading this.

Another example of you stirring the pot.

for Christ sake, it is connected internally !!!!

Are you sure???

 

[Rosco]

I stopped reading this thread 3hours ago I can’t belive it’s still going

 

[Sintra]

learn to read properly, learn to read

I can read fine thanks. Pity you can’t be honest.

 

[Rpa07]

So many new facts in the last page - estate agent not telling it like it is?
Congratulations you’ve made it.
Now I just have to get your voice out of my head - will I sleep, may need some whale sounds! Night night!

 

[buzzlightyear]

if the op is a estate agent , why is he asking the forum.
you think he would know better.
If he has made a contract with the builder.god help him in court.
all i can say good luck .not .
Maybe the builder/spark had his pants pull down .
not happy with the job .sack him .
I would like to hear from the other side .

 

[MFS Electrical]

so we agree that the plaster board should be accurately cut to the frame, a deeper frame or collar should have been used or the frame battened out and it shouldn't have been taped over at the fuse box but locked off. And wires are short. Surely NICEIC should have included this is their report? I personally have a very big issue with gypsum plasterboard being applied to a solid exterior wall as moisture gets trapped behind the gypsum so it's damp between the exterior wall and back of gypsum plasterboard. Damp and a 1in gap between a faceplate and frame is not good news

The damp issue should have been sorted first but that’s another forum you need for that. Whether or not the backbox is tight to the gyproc if there was condensation it would still get into the box. It would be easily fixed come 2nd fix with the use of a deeper box but to be fair there are thousands if not millions of installs out there that have the same setup I think the issue is one you must take up with trading standards about workmanship and professional standards rather than the NICEIC. And my best advice to you would be to not employ a jack of all trades when it comes around to picking contractors to do this properly. There are very good reasons why builders should stick to buildings plumbers to water and sparks to electricity. The attitude that electrics are easy is one that will end up with tragedy one day. Stick with tried and tested professionals who come recommended. And remember just because it works doesn’t mean it’s safe.

 

[MFS Electrical]

NICEIC isn’t a qualification.

And just because he’s registered doesn’t mean he is actually any good

 

[goasis]

I'd still like to know whether the builder was kicked off site or not as the op has stated both scenarios as fact... Better get your story straight before the "court case" !!

The damp is also probably a non issue, esp if you've had no heating in this building for a while, it would be inevitable you're talking nonsense about lime plasterboard. Get a dehumidifier in.
(why let a good thread die!!?)

 

[Pete999]

NICEIC isn’t a qualification.

Don't tell the NICEIC that, they will get all uppity and indignant.

 

[GMES]

for Christ sake, it is connected internally !!!!

Well aren't you just a little bundle of joy.
I haven't read all 8 pages nor will I, what I have gathered from snippets of it though is that your story keeps changing.
This is a public forum so lose the attitude or your account, the choice is yours.