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Is STROMA now owned by Certsure along with NAPIT, NICEIC and ELECSA?

Edit: NAPIT took over Stroma. Certsure operate NICEIC, ELECSA and NICEIC Cerifications.

Somebody did correct me the other day when I got this wrong. But I can't remember whether I was wrong in saying Certsure do own them, or do NOT own them. (Edit: Do NOT own them).

Somebody clarify for me please?

A link to an article or something would help the thread too. I'm sorting out some certification scheme-related threads and this would be handy to have around. :)

THaaaaaannnkkssss.
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I think I've found the thread, the answer is yes.

So CERTSURE now own four of the certification companies, ELECSA, STROMA, NAPIT, NICEIC.....?

Is that correct? (Edit: No)

 
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Wilko

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Hi - Stroma’s electrical CPS has been acquired by NAPIT and as far as I know NAPIT are not affiliated with Certsure.
 

Dan

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Okay I'll correct the threads if that's the case there's only a few.

Can anybody else confirm?
 

ackbarthestar

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NAPIT now control the domestic certifications of Stroma; CERTSURE have controlling interests in NICEIC, ELECSA, and ECA.
 

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Are NAPIT and Certsure totally independent then?

As one, at least in 2016 when they updated a new section on their website, states it's charity-led.

And I don't think that's the case surely.
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Okay, perhaps just me getting confused here and if so, I'll correct my threads.

I can see on their website a sentence "This award was achieved in 2019 by Certsure LLP's three operating arms (NICEIC, ELECSA and NICEIC Certification)."

So Certsure, NICEIC, Elecsa (and NICEIC Certification, which seems to be it's own thing for some reason) are the same for sure.

Then NAPIT took over Stroma.

But Certsure and NAPIT are independent. Other than they work together:-

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Certsure and NAPIT are once again working together on proposals to take the industry forward and improve standards within the electrical sector.

The two Competent Person Scheme (CPS) operators previously collaborated on Registered Competent Person Electrical (RCPE) - a single mark and register, which brought together more than 40,000 registered electrical contracting firms across England and Wales.

The driving forces behind RCPE now want to expand on that work and further strengthen the assessment process of both organisations.

Over the years, the strengths of the two organisations have been Certsure’s focus on the management and supervision of competence and NAPIT’s focus on individual competence."

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(Source: Moving Forward: Continous Improvement from Leading Cert - https://www.napit.org.uk/news/article/Continous-Improvement-from-Leading-Certification-Bodies.aspx)

“Certsure and NAPIT understand that we can only improve the safety of electrical installation work by working together in a coordinated approach.

“We can only do this by assessing the competence of organisations and individuals first hand; monitoring their abilities to ensure they are working to the latest standards and industry requirements.”

So they're independent but "work together" and not as competitors?
 
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ackbarthestar

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Its difficult to know who's in bed with who. As far as us foot soldiers know we were told that NAPIT had purchased the certification rights of STROMA and there was no mention that Certure and their merrymen had been purchased by NAPIT either....
 

Dan

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They aren't competitors as they work together. Apparently.

Seems odd to me. As somebody who isn't part of the industry, looking in from the outside, this is really really weird. Domination of an industry by owning more than one brand and giving people 'options' is common in the car industry. But I didn't realise the UK Electrician 'market' is big enough to do it here lol

I'll have to dig around in their accounts and see who's paying who what. Assuming they're actually operated by charities, that shouldn't be too difficult, up to the point parts become privately owned. And investors end up off-shore. I guess.

(If anybody ever wants to contact me privately about any of this, email me: [email protected])
 

Dan

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This is termed “competition” :)
To compete is the opposite lol

Runners compete, they don't 'work together' on winning a race.
 

Dan

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Except a relay race ?
Same team then. So same owners? And all up front about it. And it's open. We all understand it.

Poor example there mate. :D
 

Dan

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Hmmmm. Not sure that's a helpful response to be honest.

Let's not give examples where conspiracy theorists hang around. Else we just attract them to the thread. And this is an important genuine question (and confusing point for me) and shouldn't be thrown off-topic with war-related comments.

How is a parliamentary select committee competing with Certsure, a business?

(That was rhetorical - back on-topic please)
 

Dan

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Fair play :) Thanks for the reply.
 
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