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[Darkwood]

Right ... Just been nudged to set this up by Paul.M and sounds a good idea following recent threads I've done in the Arms..

Rules....No Offensive material... edit if required before posting as this is the public arena.
Anything to do with the trade or in and around it ...H&S pic's welcome.



I've posted this a few times and this is at a mates house following a kitchen refirb several yrs ago. mg_smile:

 

[DPG]

I don't like the whole 'not my job' mentality. It's not as though I get paid to make pointless comments on an internet forum, but you don't see me shirking that responsibility

I personally would just drag the cover back on. Five minutes and all safe.

 

[littlespark]

I personally would just drag the cover back on. Five minutes and all safe.

And then you get all the "who touched it last?" problems...

I don't have the proper tools for lifting it... Im not trained to lift it....

I don't even have cones myself that i could put out as a barrier...

I suppose i could put the rabbit run over the top of it..... Without the rabbits

 

[westward10]

That U steel section could do some serious damage if someone went down. Get off yer butt and put it back

 

[DPG]

And then you get all the "who touched it last?" problems...

I don't have the proper tools for lifting it... Im not trained to lift it....

I don't even have cones myself that i could put out as a barrier...

I suppose i could put the rabbit run over the top of it..... Without the rabbits

Dear me. Just do it, nobody will sue you!

 

[littlespark]

"Ow..... me back!"

Last time I listen to you lot!

 

[littlespark]

It’s done.

Random guy in a random van just turned up and dragged it back into place.

I assume it’s one of the workmen that was here earlier, got a phone call and a -------ing to go back and sort it.

That’s my good deed for the day.

 

[DPG]

It’s done.

Random guy in a random van just turned up and dragged it back into place.

I assume it’s one of the workmen that was here earlier, got a phone call and a -------ing to go back and sort it.

That’s my good deed for the day.

All's well that ends well.

 

[Raptor0014]

You should have put it back then sent them a bill for your time.

 

[littlespark]

FFS

Openreach have just been here to sort it.

Wait long enough and 2 turn up. Lol.

 

[pc1966]

I don't have the proper tools for lifting it... Im not trained to lift it....

Not an idle concern. I managed to slightly hurt my back when moving one of those lids with the help of another person using basic drain keys (the £8 from toolstation things) and failing to properly keep straight spine while attempting to turn.

Those lids are heavy. Seriously, I think they must be around 50-60kg

 

[Simon47]

If some kid or elderly person breaks their leg (or worse) Openreach might pay compensation, but you'll kick yourself for letting this remain open for hours.

I once put my foot down a hydrant hole. It could have been a lot worse but my ankle has not been right since and I assume never will be.
I was walking along, then one step there wss nothing under my foot. Until after a couple feet to gsther momentum I landed on the valve stem and riser connection - slightly off centre so it twisted my ankle and my foot slid off. Nothing broken but it took months for the sprain to heal.
A few inches in any direction and I could have peeled my shin like a carrot.
In my defence, it was hidden in long grass so I couldn't see it - and the airfield manager didn't know it was there. Old wartime airfield, and over the years anything (especially metal to weigh in) that could be nicked had been nicked.

 

[nicebutdim]

I once put my foot down a hydrant hole. It could have been a lot worse but my ankle has not been right since and I assume never will be.
I was walking along, then one step there wss nothing under my foot. Until after a couple feet to gsther momentum I landed on the valve stem and riser connection - slightly off centre so it twisted my ankle and my foot slid off. Nothing broken but it took months for the sprain to heal.
A few inches in any direction and I could have peeled my shin like a carrot.
In my defence, it was hidden in long grass so I couldn't see it - and the airfield manager didn't know it was there. Old wartime airfield, and over the years anything (especially metal to weigh in) that could be nicked had been nicked.

I had a simlar experience at a young age with a missing road side water meter cover, also hidden in long grass. Running fairly quickly when one leg disappeared and that knee tried to bend backwards against the frame. After a couple of weeks the ballon like swelling went away, but I've since had to be careful with that knee - no major issues to date, but occasionally the weakness becomes apparent and I have to be cautious for a week.

 

[Raptor0014]

This is an example of why we get a bad name.

I run an installers group on faceache for EV charge points. Someone has posted these pics in the same make of charger owners group. They said they sent them to an installer who said there happy to add a 7.5kw EVCP onto the installation.

They asked if anyone thought there would be issues on the day as to them it looks a bit untidy.

I’ve seen a couple of so called installers comment saying they could either add the charger to the existing board if there is a spare way. Or connect into one of the Henley’s and run the charger from a third CU!

Now I am far from the worlds best electrician. But I wouldn’t touch that install to add a EVCP without major upgrade. Having been audited on 3 of the installs I’ve done so far I can safely say that they would most likely insist the EVCP was removed or rectification work was carried out on the rest of the installation.

It just irritates me when I see an installation like that and then see so called qualified installers say they would add another board to it as the rest of the installation isn’t their responsibility as they’re only certifying the charger.

 

[James]

Untidy, yes
could do with an upgrade, yes
but what do you see that prevents you from adding a charger on its own small DB?

 

[Raptor0014]

Untidy, yes
could do with an upgrade, yes
but what do you see that prevents you from adding a charger on its own small DB?

Max demand for one. It’s apparently a 60A cutout and there’s already 2 CU there And they want to add a 7.5kw charger!

There are a few C2’s there eg with the exposed insulation.

The cabling is a right mess and not supported.

There is no space for another small CU.

I wouldn’t add anything to that installation in its current condition.

 

[Deleted account]

agree with the exposed insulation, but easy to get DNO out to sort that at no cost to anyone.

messy cabling won’t make a difference to the installation your installing as long as it’s separate.

no space for a CU. Then put it somewhere else, be creative, talk to the customers. There is always a way around a simple issue like this.

max demand. Speak to DNO see if it can be increased. Also what is the current max demand? Two boards does not equal overload. It just means lots of circuits.

the only thing potentiallly holding you back from installing at this installation is max demand.

what I see in that picture is 90% of all the installations I come across. I would have had no work if I said “can’t be done, it’s a mess”.

you install your work to your standard on a separate circuit or a separate consumer unit, no problems.

 

[Raptor0014]

agree with the exposed insulation, but easy to get DNO out to sort that at no cost to anyone.

messy cabling won’t make a difference to the installation your installing as long as it’s separate.

no space for a CU. Then put it somewhere else, be creative, talk to the customers. There is always a way around a simple issue like this.

max demand. Speak to DNO see if it can be increased. Also what is the current max demand? Two boards does not equal overload. It just means lots of circuits.

the only thing potentiallly holding you back from installing at this installation is max demand.

what I see in that picture is 90% of all the installations I come across. I would have had no work if I said “can’t be done, it’s a mess”.

you install your work to your standard on a separate circuit or a separate consumer unit, no problems.

The problem with moving the CU somewhere else is that the CT clamp for the ALM of the charger needs to go around the main tails. So you have to then start either chasing out walls or running trunking to get the CT back to that location If you don’t install the circuit origin near to the main installation.

I didn’t say it can’t be installed on, I just wouldn’t without the cabling supported properly, exposed insulation sorted & cutout fuse upgrade being done.

My point was that some installers were saying they would just stick another CU in and not do anything else.

As I mentioned in the original post. I’ve had 3 of my charger installs audited for OZEV, all without comment or concern raised. I’ve also seen a lot of work that they have pulled up with other installers. So I know the sort of things they look for. If a EV charge point was added to that installation in that condition I can almost guarantee they would say it needs to be removed & remedial work carried out. Which is then done at no cost to the customer, the cost is to be borne by the installer. OZEV will then also withhold the grant payment if not already paid. Or they will rescind it and then it has to be paid back.

 

[Mike Johnson]

So I know the sort of things they look for. If a EV charge point was added to that installation in that condition I can almost guarantee they would say it needs to be removed & remedial work carried out. Which is then done at no cost to the customer, the cost is to be borne by the installer. OZEV will then also withhold the grant payment if not already paid. Or they will rescind it and then it has to be paid back.

Not trying to be argumentative, but what gives OZEV the authority to instruct remedial work to be carried out on an existing installation?

 

[Raptor0014]

Not trying to be argumentative, but what gives OZEV the authority to instruct remedial work to be carried out on an existing installation?

They subcontract to a NIC registered contractor. They then inspect the installation for the EV charge point. One of the things they look at is if the existing installation is safe for the charger to be connected.

So if they deem it not to be then the installer has to either remove the charge point and refund the customer or rectify to ensure the installation is safe for connection.

So in this instance they would likely insist the cabling is supported correctly, the exposed insulation is rectified and the cutout is upgraded.

The first could be sorted on the install day and the others by contacting the DNO to sort prior.

I’ve attached what I received when I had my first audit done.

 

[Mike Johnson]

So they only instruct after an installation has been completed and upon inspection, if one is carried out, not on the existing installation prior to work starting, which is how I read your post 5278, thanks for clarifying that point.