2391

[pcam1984]

Do any of you know if the 2391 course is available anywhere. I know its been replaced with the 2395 but i've geard that its a dumbed down version. Most companies are still advertising for 2391.

 

[Farmelectrics]

Don't think you can do 2391 anymore you'll have to sit the watered down versions 2394 2395

 

[sonobit]

They dont do the 2391 anymore, i believe city and guilds dont issue them anymore, so hence no course to take.

 

[Badged01]

Don't think you can do 2391 anymore you'll have to sit the watered down versions 2394 2395

You heretic, watered down!!! Await the kickings ......

 

[Badged01]

Most companies are still advertising for 2391.

Thats only because those with the true knowledge understand the value of the 2391. Give it a couple of years when they are replaced with younger versions and its only the 2394/95 that will be recognised as the qualification to have --- whats a 2391?

Purely and utterly my own opinion of course .....

 

[humblespark]

the 2391 is as said old and no longer in circulation , any companies asking for 2391 can be assured that the 2394-5 is the new version and that your qualifications are newer and fresher 2391 is for the old farts.

its not dumbed down either its just spread into too hence the higher cost .

although 2394 is rather not worth doing tbh just the 2395 in a set order

 

[Farmelectrics]

Didn't mean to upset anyone lads but I disagree even my instructor said when I was doing my design course that they have made the 2394 2395 easier than the 2391 don't shoot the messenger but the 2391 lads don't have to do the 2394 or 2395 exams again as we have the superior exam

 

[vernam616]

2391 was the daddy of exams

2394 2395 is foolproof so i hear, might have a look for some sample questions

Best way to find out for sure is the check city and guilds website for cheif examiners reports and see what percentage pass rate overall is

on average if i recall correctly the 2391 was 30% pass rate for the UK

 

[Guest55]

Didn't mean to upset anyone lads but I disagree even my instructor said when I was doing my design course that they have made the 2394 2395 easier than the 2391 don't shoot the messenger but the 2391 lads don't have to do the 2394 or 2395 exams again as we have the superior exam

i am going to high 5 this post , hell yeah ! ;-)

back in '97 my 2391 was so difficult C&G would only accept exams papers etched in sandstone.

not like the nancy boy ipad generation of today having to do 2 test quals cos 1 was too hard , boo hoo.

;-)

 

[Farmelectrics]

It was a 50% pass rate roughly were I am

 

[Badged01]

As a holder of the only "true" qualification for I & T (IMHO) I went along to my local college out of interest to look at doing the new I&T tickets to see if it would be of any value. After 15 mins with the lecturer/tutor I realised it wasn't half as stringent or difficult to achieve as the 2400/2391 so declined signing-up for it ........ I guess with education going the way it is, society is just making exams easier for 'new' students so we create the every one is a winner culture!

Of course I could be wrong and we have a new breed of super students and tutors ...... :nono:

 

[Farmelectrics]

You heretic ha ha

 

[Farmelectrics]

And I'll give you that word badge if I'm honest which I am I had to google it to see what it ment lol you learn something everyday

 

[PEG]

....Funny how those two consonants and four numbers, always migrate into a urine height measurement contest....:hurray: ....and long may it do so...

 

[tbs1983]

Those that have the 2391 are going to say its more superior.

Those that have or are doing 2394/95 are going to argue its just as difficult.

Its human nature!

As it happens the pass rates are very similar (hover around the 42% mark). So either its just as difficult, or its easier but candidates are not as intelligent these days. (You decide!)

 

[pcam1984]

Thanks guys thats is waht i was thinking. Was booked in the 2391 a couple of years ago but had to cancel last minute and never got round to booking it again #idiot! I suppose i'll have to do the 2395. Are both the 2394 and the 2395 reqd or does the 2395 a better qualification?

 

[pcam1984]

Spelling and general putting together sentences don't seem to be happening for me tonight!!!

 

[Badged01]

Spelling and general putting together sentences don't seem to be happening for me tonight!!!

Ideal candidate for the 'new' exams then! If you couldn't spell on your 2400/2391 correctly using your feather pen and ink then that was marks deducted. And if you couldn't get the sums correct to 5 decimals using your slide rule (or pencil and paper if you weren't posh!) then you lost the whole marks for the question.

The new touch-feely, we understand roughly what you mean style of teaching and examination today should suit you :aureola:

 

[MisterE]

Are both the 2394 and the 2395 reqd or does the 2395 a better qualification?

2394 is Initial Verification & Certification
2395 is Periodic Inspection, Testing & Certification

 

[ifindoubtdont]

When I sat my 2391 it was a 2.5 hr written exam. Not open book, you had to be able to recite GN3 in your sleep and understand what it meant. The exam was made of set questions and a scenario. I didn't pass first time, I knew it was going to be close, everything I had written was right, I just hadn't written enough. In the scenario, a lot of the set questions were involved and if you didn't understand the context of the set question in the scenario, you lost any marks you had gained on the set question even if it was correct. If they mark the 2394 and 2395 the same way then maybe the only benefit is you wouldn't have to re-sit both if you didn't pass one of them, not like with the 2391 when you re-sat the lot.