Advice needed on poor junction installation

[harry olee]

I discovered this whilst removing tiles in my daughters kitchen.
It disintegrated when i touched it with the sds drill
No enclosure just a backing plate rawl plugged to the wall and plastic terminal blocks behind.
As its unsafe and exposed I need to repair it as quickly as possible.
There isn't any cable slack to play with for use with a wago MF box..
I was going to use an wiska adaptable box with wagos but ideally a metal double socket box with a surface mounted plastic blank plate would look better when she has it re-tiled
Is it ok to use wagos in other enclosures even if they are accessible?
Is there a better alternative arrangement?

 

[Pete999]

If it's accessible nothing wrong with Wagos

 

[Rosco]

Are you just changing the tiles or changing the whole kitchen if it's the latter it could beneficial to replace the cable between the points and mechanically protect properly, or using the same reinstate the point in a suitable location.

 

[harry olee]

Thanks for the replies:
just re - tiling.
I will chase out the brick and use a metal double socket box
and I'll use wagos then

 

[Pete999]

Thanks for the replies:
just re - tiling.
I will chase out the brick and use a metal double socket box
and I'll use wagos then

Just a thought Harry can you not fit a 13Amp socket there instead of making a joint?

 

[The Ghost]

I would want to be sure what exactly is going on with those cables. You have four cables. Are they a ring or spurs and what are they supplying. I think when I knew that I might consider where I am going to go from that point of knowledge with those connections.

 

[westward10]

Mmm, I am with Vortigern on this I think you may want to get an electrician out to investigate. The fact it was hidden behind a blank plate with no back box would ring alarm bells.

 

[Pete999]

Mmm, I am with Vortigern on this I think you may want to get an electrician out to investigate. The fact it was hidden behind a blank plate with no back box would ring alarm bells.

You mean Kevin has been doing his normal botch jobs?

 

[westward10]

Looks like there may have been a back box there once because of the four wall plugs.

 

[harry olee]

Just a thought Harry can you not fit a 13Amp socket there instead of making a joint?

It's near a hob

 

[buzzlightyear]

what's with the wheat shredded wrapper?

 

[harry olee]

I would want to be sure what exactly is going on with those cables. You have four cables. Are they a ring or spurs and what are they supplying. I think when I knew that I might consider where I am going to go from that point of knowledge with those connections.

They are 2 spurs supplying sockets for the freezer and boiler.
I'm just repairing what was there really.
I look at the cu tomorrow.
There is an electrician who is employed to carry out maintenance .
this may be his handy work, he mounted a j201 junction box outside

 

[buzzlightyear]

There is an electrician who is employed to carry out maintenance

its your daughter kitchen but ,who owns the kitchen ?

 

[harry olee]

She is a tenant

 

[buzzlightyear]

have you got permission from the landlord or local council for the said work to be carried out .

 

[harry olee]

I'm only removing the kitchen tiles for her!

 

[buzzlightyear]

have you got permission from the landlord or local council for the said work to be carried out

 

[harry olee]

no

 

[Rpa07]

Harry olee - just got it and that's rude!

 

[buzzlightyear]

the question is, why did you taking the tiles off in the first place .

 

[harry olee]

She started and couldn't finish it got upset and so she asked me to help!

 

[buzzlightyear]

smashing up some body property is not good .especially tiles of walls
my advise to get permission first ,if you start working on some body property.
especially some body electrics and your daughter a tenant you might do more arm the good.
I gather you are a spark .

 

[harry olee]

She started and couldn't finish it got upset and so she asked me to help!

 

[harry olee]

smashing up some body property is not good .especially tiles of walls
my advise to get permission first ,if you start working on some body property.
especially some body electrics and your daughter a tenant you might do more arm the good.
I gather you are a spark .

-I agree

 

[sparksburnout]

no

I have always been of the opinion that Landlords were all a shower of s**t, which might still be true. However, from the narrative of this post, I am beginning to see the other side.......

 

[buzzlightyear]

every time I get a phone call from the g/public, I always ask them who owns the property .

 

[buzzlightyear]

I had a guy who rang me up , can you do a job .do you own the property, no I'm the tenant
speak to you land lord he lives in Thailand ask him first .can not get hold of him. tuff
and you wander why they houses are cannabises farms.

 

[Octopus]

Best you stop.... get the landlord involved AND get it sorted properly

Hiding connections behind new tiles is not a sensible option IMHO

 

[sparksburnout]

"and you wander why they houses are cannabises farms."
Buzzy Lad, I know you are probably using some kind of mobile device, but is there any chance of doing a bit of proof reading before you hit the "send" button? Just so us traditional guys can read your posts in a nice smooth manner.
I mean, we have had quite a few mind benders over the last few days, one that Pete flagged up that I can't bring to mind now, and then there was a "Habitual" room, which I guess was a habitable one, not one where you would smoke a joint.
And now we are wandering where we should be wondering, and they houses that should probably be those houses, and god knows what a cannabises farm is?
You can call me picky, but I just think that representatives of a trade such as ours, should be able to string coherent sentences together??
There are standards.
Edit
That was it: "voltsticks to inducate magnetic force." Could you translate?

 

[harry olee]

jeez

 

[DPG]

Agree with Sparksburnout, despite his views on landlords

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