Are people moving away from rings

[Mike Johnson]

Certainly do.

 

[Pete999]

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Certainly do.

Don't you think you are over complicating things a bit Mike?

 

[telectrix]

seen smaller boards running factories.
1980's houses were getting utility rooms
1990's " " " en suite bathrooms
2010's " are " plant rooms.

next "progression" might be nuclear generators in the attic for all power, heat,cooling, cooking etc.


might even be able to find a space to sit and watch the telly.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Don't you think you are over complicating things a bit Mike?

Not me, that's the EU regulations for you, but if you look closely you will see the board is three phase.

 

[Pete999]

Not me, that's the EU regulations for you, but if you look closely you will see the board is three phase.

We don't have Polyphase supplies in most domestic dwellings Mike. Can't see what you are getting at?

 

[Mike Johnson]

The start of my posts on this thread was concerning the use of of DP RCD's in the EU and that rings aren't used, also note that three phase is common on domestic supplies, especially in more rural areas.

 

[Toneyz]

For what I have seen in the E.U. consumer units have an RCD as the main switch and D.P MCB's so if there is an N-E fault you turn off the C.B wherein the UK if we have an N-E fault you need to find the fault.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Narrows down the fault finding exercise considerably, having only one circuit to check, so at least one plus point.

 

[Lucien Nunes]

I think the point is that when you abandon the diversity of 32A socket-outlet circuits (note: 32A but not specifically rings) you end up with many more circuits because each circuit may only be able to supply one appliance. Our house had one ring serving the main living areas including the whole kitchen with washing machine, dishwasher, tumble dryer, microwave, all portable cooking appliances etc. The 30A fuse never blew in 25 years and when replaced by a 30A MCB that never tripped. It would take four or five 20A circuits to give the same flexibility.

I do like DP or perhaps better SPSN MCBs for DP isolation. Europeans were often ahead of us in these things. Old Dutch fuse boxes (of which I have a few) that use Diazed bottle fuses, have a DP isolator for each outgoing circuit as standard, so they were onto this even before MCBs.

 

[Selfmade]

I used to think rings would gradually be replaced by radials. My tutor for one was dead against rings. But I can't see it happening now - replacing one ring with probably several radials when each extra circuit means an extra £200+ on an AFDD. 32A radials? Maybe, if they start making sockets with terminals that will accept two or three 6mm2 conductors!

 

[Blissof89]

Maybe, if they start making sockets with terminals that will accept two or three 6mm2 conductors!

This is my main gripe with the idea of 32A radials, adding extra outlets retrospectively becomes a right old hooha.

 

[Blissof89]

Maybe, if they start making sockets with terminals that will accept two or three 6mm2 conductors!

This is my main gripe with the idea of 32A radials, adding extra outlets retrospectively becomes a right old hooha.