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Lazlo
or have you begun to install metal re:amendment 3...
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Geordie Spark
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Guest77
If you fitted one in my house I would ask you to remove it or I would get someone to replace it with a plastic one and deduct the cost from your final bill Dave lol
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davesparks
And the Regulation also states that it may be contained within a non-combustible enclosure instead of using a non-combustible dis. board.
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jase
so when they gonna start putting push fit connections in CU's then, like you get in sooo many light fittings these days!
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Leesparkykent
i don't know best email BEAMA and ask lol.
seriously though the whole idea is b***x, all that's needed IMO is to improve the standards of the dis boards we have already got, like twin screw terminals on main switches, etc.
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Silly Sausage
BEAMA have now gained the illustrious status that the NICEIC have.
Let's just botch over crappy workmanship.
Just make them out of bakelite AFAIK it doesn't burn... (waiting for possible correction there 
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Plonker 3
Is there anything in the BYB about how big the non-combustiable enclosure has to be or what it has to protect the fire from?
Yes I am expecting some comments about how if I wish to know I should buy a copy, but just had a idea that may get round this new reg that I am willing to share with you all.
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davesparks
It won't surprise you to know that no information is given on the size of the non combustible enclosure, or what the fire protection is from/to.
If your train of thought is heading in the same direction of mine then you are probably thinking about the CU being in a built in cupboard of masonry or plasterboard walls and a fire door. But I doubt that this is in line with 'the intent of the regulation' which seems to be the popular phrase at the moment to say 'you know what I mean' when they can't be bothered to make a proper job of writing a regulation.
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PEG
...My 1/8th copper plate,water-laser profile cut,tig welded DB's will be available,and on sale from March.
They come in two finishes,"polished and lacquered",or for the period property,"verdigris".
Say goodbye to £150 DB swaps,with the best product,Dragons Den have ever seen...:conehead:
They come in two finishes,"polished and lacquered",or for the period property,"verdigris".
Say goodbye to £150 DB swaps,with the best product,Dragons Den have ever seen...:conehead:
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BathSparks
What about Bakelite? Oh! perhaps not, we've had that before.
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Leesparkykent
Misleading information – a redress by BEAMA
However, BEAMA feels that there has been much misinformation about this likely requirement, so is setting the record straight.
Commented BEAMA’s Deputy Director, Installation Sector, Keith Smith: ”Much has already been written, some of it highly speculatively and potentially misleading, about the forthcoming Regulation 421.1.201 that is intended to improve fire safety in domestic premises.
“BEAMA, on behalf of the leading manufacturers of consumer units, has published a Technical Bulletin entitled ‘Enhanced Fire Safety from Consumer Units’ to give industry guidance and bring some clarity to the intended application of Regulation 421.1.201
“The content of this Technical Bulletin is fully supported and endorsed by leading industry bodies, including ECA, Electrical Safety First, IET and SELECT.
“A further point for clarification is that plastic enclosures manufactured from 960 degree glow-wire rated material would not be classified as ‘non-combustible’ in the context of this regulation.
I personally find this new regulation irritating but I cannot see how any one will get away with fitting plastic consumer units in a domestic setting when this regulation comes in to force at the start of 2016 if you are part of a CPS.
However, BEAMA feels that there has been much misinformation about this likely requirement, so is setting the record straight.
Commented BEAMA’s Deputy Director, Installation Sector, Keith Smith: ”Much has already been written, some of it highly speculatively and potentially misleading, about the forthcoming Regulation 421.1.201 that is intended to improve fire safety in domestic premises.
“BEAMA, on behalf of the leading manufacturers of consumer units, has published a Technical Bulletin entitled ‘Enhanced Fire Safety from Consumer Units’ to give industry guidance and bring some clarity to the intended application of Regulation 421.1.201
“The content of this Technical Bulletin is fully supported and endorsed by leading industry bodies, including ECA, Electrical Safety First, IET and SELECT.
“A further point for clarification is that plastic enclosures manufactured from 960 degree glow-wire rated material would not be classified as ‘non-combustible’ in the context of this regulation.
I personally find this new regulation irritating but I cannot see how any one will get away with fitting plastic consumer units in a domestic setting when this regulation comes in to force at the start of 2016 if you are part of a CPS.
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Octopus
Its all very well for that muppet to say what he likes BUT they, and I include all those organisations listed, have ALL colaborated to introduce what can only be described as a FARCE of a regulation.
And to cap it off WE, the Professional Sparks will have to justify this to OUR clients - and yes its more cost - and the big sheds will still sell plastic CU's to ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And this on the BEAMA press release:
"“The primary root-cause of fires in consumer units has been clearly identified as resulting from loose connections and this new regulation is intended to provide a level of enhanced fire risk protection in this event."
So instead of addressing poor workmanship they go for metal enclosures
MADNESS
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Leesparkykent
100% mate, it is a complete FARCE IMO. I was just pointing out what BEAMA are clarifying on the use of 960 degree glow-wire rated material and that it would not be classified as ‘non-combustible’ in the context of the new regulation.
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Octopus
I've sent Keith an email via the contact address at Beama - be interesting to see if he responds!
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baldsparkies
We are installing consumer units to BSEN 61439-3
Constructed of Self extinguishing ABS.
Amendment 3 refers to metal as an EXAMPLE of non combustible material not as the ONLY non combustible material.
So until they clearly define exactly what non combustible material is, and what BSEN number we have to follow.
This thread and many others will continue to propagate opinions, speculation, and continued confusion.
The whole scenario is a complete disgrace to the industry, and to those who have to work and comply within it.
I have to admit,they have brought out a regulation that has been argued about, dissected, scrutinised so much that it would have been worthy of the Supreme court deciding on a contentious law of the land
We need something like the quote above as the heading for a petition to the greater gods at the IET,try and force them to give clear and concise meaning to the intention of the regulation
I vote for a petition to be generated on this forum and sent on to Savoy place
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Knobhead
Get it organised, it would be your first useful input.
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Engineer54
Your time would be much better spent organising a petition for a Registry for Qualified Electricians!!
Shame no-one did anything when these Part P Scam providers were created, and i expect exactly the same apathy for this relatively unimportant issues of domestic metal/plastic CU's!!
Getting your priorities right, would be a great start!! lol!!
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Octopus
So here is the content of his reply:
"Thank you for making contact with BEAMA.
My first inclination is to say "don't shoot the messenger" as it is not BEAMA (the manufacturers association) who write the Regulations - we are but one small voice in a room of many stakeholders, incidentally including representation from the Electrical Contracting community (inc. ECA, NICEIC, NAPIT and SELECT).
Believe it or not, things could have been far worse if some individuals on the drafting committee had got their way!
In terms of where we go from here, we are now into a transition period that ends on 31st December 2015, giving everyone time to interpret the regulation, manage inventory and ensure that skills are aligned to ensure that the intent of the regulation (enhanced fire protection) is not compromised or replaced by other risks.
As alluded to earlier, this regulation is not a creation by the manufacturers, more so it a consensus of opinion from many stakeholders, including ECA, Electrical Safety First, NICEIC, NAPIT, SELECT, Chief Fire Officers Association, IET and many other learned bodies.
Just one final point before I close, whilst the big sheds may well continue to sell consumer units to 'anyone', they do have a legal responsibility to market products that are 'fit for purpose' and should products fall through this first net then a Part P qualified competent person is be required to install and /or sign-off the installation - at which point compliance with 421.1.201 will be required.
Personally I have been to the 'coal face' on many occasions and unfortunately seen far too many of the consequences behind the intent of this regulation.
On which subject, I am sure that there is more to come by way of measures to ensure that cables are prepared and terminated correctly.
Good to exchange with you.
Best regards"
Cobblers is my first thought. Virtually all the businesses mentioned in the text above have something to GAIN financially by agreeing to this change.
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