EICR Test Fail, before and after

[HappySlappy]

Hi, recently had an EICR test done by 'Landlord Certificates' which failed due to circuite 3 having two radial circuits into a single 32amp MCB, they advised splitting it into two 20amp MCB's and quoted £174 including EICR certificate. The Electrian appears to have simply taken out the 32amp MCB's and put in a 20amp and 16amp. Was the original actually a fail? And is what the Electrician has done now acceptable?

 

[Dustydazzler]

I imagine the 32a 'radial' (2 cables in the MCB) actually used to be a Ring and has now been infected / broken and lost its Ring continuity.
The correct cause of action would be first to try and correct the break and reinstate the original Ring.
If that is not possible then both cables could be put into one 20amp MCB,

If they are in fact 2 completely separate radials ( with no cross connections ) then they can be put on 2 separate MCBs , 16 amp or 20amp is fine

 

[James]

do you have any previous reports for the electrical installation?

 

[HappySlappy]

do you have any previous reports for the electrical installation?

It's my first EICR since the consumer unit was changed about 8 years ago, I have a building regs cert of compliance for that.

 

[James]

the installation cert for the consumer unit change would be a really useful thing to dig out and post here.
in particular the page marked "schedule of circuits"

 

[HappySlappy]

the installation cert for the consumer unit change would be a really useful thing to dig out and post here.
in particular the page marked "schedule of circuits"

It's just a single page cert from NICEIC, no schedule was ever issued to me.

 

[HappySlappy]

I imagine the 32a 'radial' (2 cables in the MCB) actually used to be a Ring and has now been infected / broken and lost its Ring continuity.
The correct cause of action would be first to try and correct the break and reinstate the original Ring.
If that is not possible then both cables could be put into one 20amp MCB,

If they are in fact 2 completely separate radials ( with no cross connections ) then they can be put on 2 separate MCBs , 16 amp or 20amp is fine

Thanks, it is an old building, probably had loads of messing around with the electrics over the years, so makes sense a ring may have become broken, I wonder why the guy who fitted the fuse box couldn't have come to the same conclusion as the EICR tester.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Thanks, it is an old building, probably had loads of messing around with the electrics over the years, so makes sense a ring may have become broken, I wonder why the guy who fitted the fuse box couldn't have come to the same conclusion as the EICR tester.

The sparks who changed the board might not have done end to end tests on the ring and just assumed it is a ring.
Without the original install cert with test results we will never know what was tested.
I am guess the guy doing the EICR has done end to end and can't get continuity of Ring

 

[westward10]

I take it they didn't comment on some awful connections in the consumer unit, one of which is at the new mcb and the missing busbar shield.

 

[HappySlappy]

I take it they didn't comment on some awful connections in the consumer unit and the missing busbar shield.

They did, I had a new boiler installed recently and the guy who wired in the thermostat also commented on how intidy it is, bit dissapointing given what it cost but what can I do? Some people have no pride in their work, but it is safe I assume, especially with the EICR just done.