Electrical Safety First campaign

[richy3333]

Just read the following on the Edmundsons email circular I receive.

The law requires an electrician registered with a government-approved scheme, such as the one operated by NICEIC, to carry out most electrical work in the home.

Since when has this been law? Have I been asleep?


Link:
Electrical Safety First promotes registered electricians | edmundson-electrical.co.uk

 

[Engineer54]

Yet another load of garbage being thrown out to the general public, along with yet another sticker that no-one will take a blind bit of notice of!!!!

It would be funny if it wasn't so bloody serious, that these money making quangos can look at anyone in the face without smiling and declare that a guy which was stacking shelves at Tesco's just 17 day's ago, can be registered with any of these Part P providers as being electrically competent!!!

It's a bloody farce from start to finish, and time they were ALL kicked into touch by the fully qualified and experienced electricians....

 

[Octopus]

Edmundsuns have probably added this on the basis that most sparks will use local "trade" counters, whilst most DIYers will probably use sheds and the internet!

I call this self interest over fact!

 

[telectrix]

it can be done by boycotting the scams, but so far it seems only trev and myself seem to want to act.

 

[amckay]

It would be very interesting to see what piece of legislation is used to back up such claims

 

[Pete999]

it can be done by boycotting the scams, but so far it seems only trev and myself seem to want to act.

Tel / Trev if I was still working I would join the boycott straight up Maties

 

[cprfenom]

it can be done by boycotting the scams, but so far it seems only trev and myself seem to want to act.

You looking at how much beer £600 will get you?

I have to say that I would happily leave my chosen membership, but customers, building control and said membership scheme scare me in to thinking I will get no work or security from going alone. Also getting work registered via my local building control is not at all obvious and seemingly expensive.

 

[Engineer54]

Any Electrician that can demonstrate their competency via their industry recognised qualifications, and ideally backed up by at least a couple of years experience. They shouldn't have to join any quangos set up to prove said competence it's already there in black and white. So long as those that require to do so, have all the required insurance covers in place before taking on any work....

Now i'd like to see how a fully qualified and experienced electrician being brought to book for not being a quango's member can be prosecuted for not being competent would work. The only people that i can think of, that would ever need to be registered with these scam providers, would be the 17 day whizzes and the Electrical Trainee's that they are responsible for bringing into this industry in the first place. I wouldn't mind betting that you'd be hard pushed to find a properly assessed competent electrician/person amongst them. Oh and i do mean ''Properly Assessed'', i don't mean the farcical assessments that the scams are peddling on right now!!!

 

[telectrix]

Any Electrician that can demonstrate their competency via their industry recognised qualifications, and ideally backed up by at least a couple of years experience. They shouldn't have to join any quangos set up to prove said competence it's already there in black and white. So long as those that require to do so, have all the required insurance covers in place before taking on any work....

Now i'd like to see how a fully qualified and experienced electrician being brought to book for not being a quango's member can be prosecuted for not being competent would work. The only people that i can think of, that would ever need to be registered with these scam providers, would be the 17 day whizzes and the Electrical Trainee's that they are responsible for bringing into this industry in the first place. I wouldn't mind betting that you'd be hard pushed to find a properly assessed competent electrician/person amongst them. Oh and i do mean ''Properly Assessed'', i don't mean the farcical assessments that the scams are peddling on right now!!!

my thoughts exactly. afaik, no spark has been prosecuted for failing to notify work unless said work has been unsafe and/or lead to injury,death or fire.

 

[richy3333]

Any Electrician that can demonstrate their competency via their industry recognised qualifications, and ideally backed up by at least a couple of years experience. They shouldn't have to join any quangos set up to prove said competence it's already there in black and white. So long as those that require to do so, have all the required insurance covers in place before taking on any work....

Now i'd like to see how a fully qualified and experienced electrician being brought to book for not being a quango's member can be prosecuted for not being competent would work. The only people that i can think of, that would ever need to be registered with these scam providers, would be the 17 day whizzes and the Electrical Trainee's that they are responsible for bringing into this industry in the first place. I wouldn't mind betting that you'd be hard pushed to find a properly assessed competent electrician/person amongst them. Oh and i do mean ''Properly Assessed'', i don't mean the farcical assessments that the scams are peddling on right now!!!

Fancy standing for PM next year?

 

[richy3333]

my thoughts exactly. afaik, no spark has been prosecuted for failing to notify work unless said work has been unsafe and/or lead to injury,death or fire.

Agreed. It would be the unsafe work that led to an investigation and not being a member of a scam that would then be a 'bolt on' to any prosecution

 

[Knobhead]

You lot stood by while the scams took control and made up their own definition of a competent electrician.

It’s time you did something about it and voted with your feet.

The only way out of this mess is follow other countries and introduce a national register that all electricians have to be on to carry out work. It would weed out the Electrical Trainee’s as they wouldn’t be able to trade legitimately.

 

[richy3333]

Agree Tony, sort of. You just need the government to give two figs, an Act of Parliamnet, agreement by the House of Lords and ratification by the Queen then you're in.

Funny, as it's now argued the most common cause of house fires is electrical faults - you'd think the government would want to legislate?

 

[telectrix]

funny how this most common cause is only since the introduction of part pee and compulsory scam membership. have these scams lowered their :ack2: standards? shame on them.

 

[trev]

You looking at how much beer £600 will get you?

I have to say that I would happily leave my chosen membership, but customers, building control and said membership scheme scare me in to thinking I will get no work or security from going alone. Also getting work registered via my local building control is not at all obvious and seemingly expensive.

Hoew many people have been prosecuted for not notifying work?
It's this fear that keep the scams in business, it's this fear that allows them to continue to hold down the trade and forcibly milk it for everything they can get out of it without putting anything back.
There's only one way that we can get what we want and that is by not playing the game that we're told to play. Change will only come through the industry getting behind the movement and saying "No!"

 

[Octopus]

How many people have been prosecuted for not notifying work?
It's this fear that keep the scams in business, it's this fear that allows them to continue to hold down the trade and forcibly milk it for everything they can get out of it without putting anything back.
There's only one way that we can get what we want and that is by not playing the game that we're told to play. Change will only come through the industry getting behind the movement and saying "No!"

No and if the scams didn't exist I don't anything would change either!

 

[trev]

No and if the scams didn't exist I don't anything would change either!

But if we had a single register with individual competency with a regulator who had big, sharp, pointy teeth and the resources and willingness to use them then that would help a lot.

 

[trev]

Oh, and by the way. It's all well and good taking a look at the FB page and hitting the like button. That's no good though, what's needed is action. Stop paying your subs and tell them why, if enough do it then they will be history.
Tel, Damian and a few others are on board too.

 

[Engineer54]

Fancy standing for PM next year?

No thanks, too much of a drop in salary, though not too sure about the under the table payments...lol!!

 

[Engineer54]

Agree Tony, sort of. You just need the government to give two figs, an Act of Parliamnet, agreement by the House of Lords and ratification by the Queen then you're in.

Funny, as it's now argued the most common cause of house fires is electrical faults - you'd think the government would want to legislate?

Don't take report or statistics statements like this too literary, as i'd wager that the majority of these so-called electrical fires are the result of faulty/old appliances rather than faulty electrical installations!!

Unfortunately, the government would probably go to the likes of NICEIC and the other scam providers for it's guidance, the very people that have generally lowered standards including safety in our industry across the board!!

 

[davesparks]

I thought electrical safety first was just another trading name of the crooks who own NIC and ELECSA?

 

[davesparks]

it can be done by boycotting the scams, but so far it seems only trev and myself seem to want to act.

And Damian Skelton

My renewal is due imminently and I'm currently drafting the letter to explain to them exactly why I am not buying in to their con for another year.

I've only been a member for 1 year, but self employed doing domestics for 3 yet the part P police have never yet caught up with me!

 

[Knobhead]

The fully qualified electricians shouldn’t need the scams, but it seems many are worried about cutting free. I applaud any that take the step and hope it shakes things up in the domestic sector.

If you’ve a proven track record with BC why shouldn’t they accept your certificates? I can’t think of any other reason than trying to profit out of independent submissions.

 

[Engineer54]

The fully qualified electricians shouldn’t need the scams, but it seems many are worried about cutting free. I applaud any that take the step and hope it shakes things up in the domestic sector.

If you’ve a proven track record with BC why shouldn’t they accept your certificates? I can’t think of any other reason than trying to profit out of independent submissions.

Agree, surely the whole point of achieving/passing C&G level 3 qualifications and above is to proveyour competency in the profession!!!

 

[7029 dave]

Any Electrician that can demonstrate their competency via their industry recognised qualifications, and ideally backed up by at least a couple of years experience. They shouldn't have to join any quangos set up to prove said competence it's already there in black and white. So long as those that require to do so, have all the required insurance covers in place before taking on any work....

Now i'd like to see how a fully qualified and experienced electrician being brought to book for not being a quango's member can be prosecuted for not being competent would work. The only people that i can think of, that would ever need to be registered with these scam providers, would be the 17 day whizzes and the Electrical Trainee's that they are responsible for bringing into this industry in the first place. I wouldn't mind betting that you'd be hard pushed to find a properly assessed competent electrician/person amongst them. Oh and i do mean ''Properly Assessed'', i don't mean the farcical assessments that the scams are peddling on right now!!!

Agreed, but you could say that about the heating/ pluming, sector, they have to comply.

 

[Engineer54]

Agreed, but you could say that about the heating/ pluming, sector, they have to comply.

I have no idea what these pluming and heating have to do.... I think you are talking about the Gas Safe side of things, and would hope that the assessments they go through are a damn sight more meaningful than those that a 17 day whizzer can pass with flying colours on the electrical part P side. Also as far as i've read here, the assessments aren't on a yearly basis either??

Do they have/allow 17 day whizzers and Electrical Trainee's in the gas fitting trade as well??

 

[7029 dave]

Evening Eng, yes I am on about gas safe, you would be surprised, the course's are quite short as well, some of them, matter of weeks, same as our Electrical Trainee, lol. Just one big scam.!!

 

[Plonker 3]

But the gas safe assessment is lot more involved than what "part p" is, firstly you have to pass a exam then you have to pass different sections depending on what you work on. Oh also have you noticed how they only have one register not 6?

 

[7029 dave]

Agreed, Dillan, it all depends on the module you are obtaining, as for our six, that's just the different band wagons you can join. lol

 

[Plonker 3]

Yes but only 1 for gas safe? Which also has no hesitation in following up unsafe installs unlike our " money grabbing make the Electrical Trainee feel special" scams.

 

[7029 dave]

Yes but only 1 for gas safe? Which also has no hesitation in following up unsafe installs unlike our " money grabbing make the Electrical Trainee feel special" scams.

Who are you with.?

 

[Plonker 3]

None of them

 

[7029 dave]

None of them

Like it lol, I only ask because I am interested, I take it you don't do domestic then, as you all know I am in metering now, but if this job went ---- up, I suppose it would mean me having to do my 17th, plus join a scam.? Only because I would do domestic again.

 

[Gavin A]

Yes but only 1 for gas safe? Which also has no hesitation in following up unsafe installs unlike our " money grabbing make the Electrical Trainee feel special" scams.

and it's on a per per son basis, not a per company basis.

Which is a massive difference.

 

[Knobhead]

Like it lol, I only ask because I am interested, I take it you don't do domestic then, as you all know I am in metering now, but if this job went ---- up, I suppose it would mean me having to do my 17th, plus join a scam.? Only because I would do domestic again.

Why do you have to join a scam?

 

[edrobbo8]

I joined various others locally in boycotting Elecsa, when there are at least 10 contractors I know of in Cheltenham who aren't Part P registered going round doing rewires, alterations etc. It's no surprise really, as BC are perfectly happy with the issue of an EIC for any major works done, and it seems that notifying them is optional! It is a farce, and I like many others are £450 better off, plus we don't lose half a day being asked ridiculous questions, showing them the certs I want to show them and showing them 2 jobs that I want to show them (not the howler that was rushed on a Friday evening......)