how do these cowboys get away with it

[BES]

Hello
When to price job today bathroom lighting and fan looked at job no problem. Asked customer where cu was in brand new kitchen i asked who done electrics got told kitchen fitter arranged electrician. Looked at cu 16th board looked again the busbar hadnt been cut !!! so it was attached to main isolator and rcd. Explained to customer the problem and tested rcd to show her it would not operate due to how the busbar had been fitted and the dangers due to this she said electrician doing kitchen never said anything . Asked if he had left any paperwork or certs and if any testing had been done oh what a suprise nothing. The new cables in cu so called electrician had put in were that long you could have put a exra rfc and no bonding to water in kitchen. Explained part p to her and what sould have been done telling her hope the work he has done is ok as it may involve dismantaling her lovely new kitchen .Advised her to get kithen fitter back and ask him why no testing was done and no certs issued and if electrician was qualified and registered to do this work.

 

[daiplayer]

Goes to show how unaware customers are of the need to use registered sparks

 

[BES]

I asked her if she had heard of part p , no cause not but when asked about corgi (gas safe) oh yes .

 

[daiplayer]

simple advert from the governing bodies would fix it ,

if safestyle windows can afford a bald chappie going out on the bcc , surely our fee's would cover that!

 

[Darkwood]

Competence is the Key word here... registered or not, i know a few established sparkies still 15th on paper but know their 17th better than most, yes from customers point of view its a substantially lower risk if they had used a fully registered sparks but as ive seen its not always the case.... plenty paper sparkies out there who install dodgy work.

 

[BES]

True darkwood as dp says need more public awareness as mosty people you ask wouldnt dream to employ a non registered gas fitter this is due to most people are aware of corgi as was but not electrical never heard of niceic never mind napit or elecsa or how dangerous electricity can be.

 

[Adam W]

I agree - if you hire a registered electrician to change your consumer unit you will know that not only he/she has at least done it before in their own home for their assessment, but they can also look stuff up in a book.

 

[daiplayer]

Competence is the Key word here... registered or not, i know a few established sparkies still 15th on paper but know their 17th better than most, yes from customers point of view its a substantially lower risk if they had used a fully registered sparks but as ive seen its not always the case.... plenty paper sparkies out there who install dodgy work.

I fully agree
however dodgy workers can never be stopped. thats a fact of life ! lol

but at least registered tradesmen will at least have a knowledge of how it should be done.
You'd be suprised at the amount of bulders/plasterers /brickies that THINK they can do 'lectrics' round my area, is where most of my work comes from.

Customer awareness is the key . today i atteneded a EICR and removed a dangerous situation where 5 sockets in a conservatory were supplied via 1.5 twin ( not t+e) .
when loading up the van i saw through the window the guy reconnecting it . he had done all the wiring himself, hence the 3 pages of observations.

 

[Guitarist]

I wrote to my LBC asking for some coverage about part P in the local free papers, or their magazine they distribute. The letter got forwarded to the senior guy there several weeks ago but not heard back from him.
Basically, they have enough to do without worrying about something which we spend hundreds of pounds a year trying to get right, so they don't seem at all interested!

 

[ipf]

I agree - if you hire a registered electrician to change your consumer unit you will know that not only he/she has at least done it before in their own home for their assessment, but they can also look stuff up in a book.

or ask for advice on here, maybe.

 

[Guitarist]

I fully agree
however dodgy workers can never be stopped. thats a fact of life ! lol

but at least registered tradesmen will at least have a knowledge of how it should be done.
You'd be suprised at the amount of bulders/plasterers /brickies that THINK they can do 'lectrics' round my area, is where most of my work comes from.

Customer awareness is the key . today i atteneded a EICR and removed a dangerous situation where 5 sockets in a conservatory were supplied via 1.5 twin ( not t+e) .
when loading up the van i saw through the window the guy reconnecting it . he had done all the wiring himself, hence the 3 pages of observations.

The rewire I am carrying out at the moment has been an eye-opener for me. I have seen many cases of DIY electrics over the years, but the sheer scale of what the previous owner did is unbelievable...
Spurs off spurs off spurs...cables changing size several times supplying many different types of equipment....literally dozens of JB's, none of which have the sheath entering them...cpc's cut off outside the JB's...the list goes on.

 

[Darkwood]

Some owners treat electrics like decorating a xmas tree..... simples.... but even mess that up and your house burns down, i can only say its like BBQ-ing in that its the mans area and men like to go Ug ug!!.... but i only know a few mates who can actually turn out a decent BBQ without under and over cooking things but it never stops the rest from repeating their mistakes everytime the sun comesout..... just glad beer dampens the taste buds.

 

[Adam W]

or ask for advice on here, maybe.

Are you suggesting that scheme membership criteria should include being a member of electriciansforums.net?

 

[ipf]

Are you suggesting that scheme membership criteria should include being a member of electriciansforums.net?

Well it could be an optional extra for free, I suppose. But, thinking about it, they'd probably charge for that.

 

[Geordie Spark]

The rewire I am carrying out at the moment has been an eye-opener for me. I have seen many cases of DIY electrics over the years, but the sheer scale of what the previous owner did is unbelievable...
Spurs off spurs off spurs...cables changing size several times supplying many different types of equipment....literally dozens of JB's, none of which have the sheath entering them...cpc's cut off outside the JB's...the list goes on.

That sounds like my old house





after I rewired it

 

[ruston]

That sounds like my old house





after I rewired it

Aye you have to do something with the roll ends, to dear to waste.

 

[Geordie Spark]

Aye you have to do something with the roll ends, to dear to waste.

Aye and Trev signed it off for a couplea bottles o' Broon

 

[Guitarist]

Here's a little sample

 

[Geordie Spark]

Here's a little sample
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Yerbugger .... that IS my old hoose !!! :whatchutalkingabout

 

[Des 56]

Some owners treat electrics like decorating a xmas tree..... simples...., i can only say its like BBQ-ing .

I like the comparison with installing the electrics

We always had John from the pub
Now meet Bar-B and Q Joe

 

[tidyboiler]

In a previous life I was on a contract with British Gas which covered all aspects of Gas, Electric, Water, Drains, all white goods etc at a cost of over £55 per month. I suppose we had our money's worth out of them over the years but I started to question the knowledge of a few of their engineers. We developed a fault on our heating system and it took 15 :whatchutalkingabout visits from them to find the fault. Geordie knew straight away what the problem was when I explained it to him, and that was over the phone without him seeing it!

 

[ruston]

In a previous life I was on a contract with British Gas which covered all aspects of Gas, Electric, Water, Drains, all white goods etc at a cost of over £55 per month. I suppose we had our money's worth out of them over the years but I started to question the knowledge of a few of their engineers. We developed a fault on our heating system and it took 15 :whatchutalkingabout visits from them to find the fault. Geordie knew straight away what the problem was when I explained it to him, and that was over the phone without him seeing it!

Aye he had been in an swiped the boiler.

 

[Geordie Spark]

In a previous life I was on a contract with British Gas which covered all aspects of Gas, Electric, Water, Drains, all white goods etc at a cost of over £55 per month. I suppose we had our money's worth out of them over the years but I started to question the knowledge of a few of their engineers. We developed a fault on our heating system and it took 15 :whatchutalkingabout visits from them to find the fault. Geordie knew straight away what the problem was when I explained it to him, and that was over the phone without him seeing it!

Aye well ....... sometimes I just get lucky pet .....


......... like I did the day I met you :wub:



:rofl:

 

[tidyboiler]

Aye well ....... sometimes I just get lucky pet .....


......... like I did the day I met you :wub:



:rofl:

What you after like?????:laugh:

 

[Geordie Spark]

What you after like?????:laugh:

:ihih: :38:

 

[sparks1973]

Hello
When to price job today bathroom lighting and fan looked at job no problem. Asked customer where cu was in brand new kitchen i asked who done electrics got told kitchen fitter arranged electrician. Looked at cu 16th board looked again the busbar hadnt been cut !!! so it was attached to main isolator and rcd. Explained to customer the problem and tested rcd to show her it would not operate due to how the busbar had been fitted and the dangers due to this she said electrician doing kitchen never said anything . Asked if he had left any paperwork or certs and if any testing had been done oh what a suprise nothing. The new cables in cu so called electrician had put in were that long you could have put a exra rfc and no bonding to water in kitchen. Explained part p to her and what sould have been done telling her hope the work he has done is ok as it may involve dismantaling her lovely new kitchen .Advised her to get kithen fitter back and ask him why no testing was done and no certs issued and if electrician was qualified and registered to do this work.

whats `part p` got to do with it?....some of the worst crap you could witness has been done by `part p qualified` `electricians`....or the part p course brigade....

 

[Floody]

There needs to be tv/radio adverts like they do for Corgi (gas) to make sure customers ask for a Part P certified spark. Ohhhh the dangers are equal to (if not worse) than gas

 

[jase158]

I am a plumber and to be honest you sparky's need 1 governing body instead of the several different ones, it is so hard to look up each electrician, then you could all be governed and promoted by that company

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I am a plumber and to be honest you sparky's need 1 governing body instead of the several different ones, it is so hard to look up each electrician, then you could all be governed and promoted by that company

 

[Guitarist]

I am a plumber and to be honest you sparky's need 1 governing body instead of the several different ones, it is so hard to look up each electrician, then you could all be governed and promoted by that company

We have been saying the very same thing for a long time...."Electric safe", says it all.

 

[robsparky1975]

Wonder if gas safe themselves would be interested in starting up a sister company,elecsafe,job done.

 

[Geordie Spark]

There needs to be tv/radio adverts like they do for Corgi (gas) to make sure customers ask for a Part P certified spark. Ohhhh the dangers are equal to (if not worse) than gas

I disagree.

When I was working I was qualified to and worked with BOTH electricity and gas in domestic & small commercial properties, and trust me on this: if I made a mistake on the electric side of things I could kill someone and / or set fire to a building, but if I got it wrong with gas, I could literally demolish a whole terrace and kill not only the occupants of those properties, but passers-by in the street outside.

 

[daiplayer]

simple advert from the governing bodies would fix it ,

if safestyle windows can afford a bald chappie going out on the bcc , surely our fee's would cover that!

sockets !!! I say ya buy one !! Ya get one freeeeeee !!!!!!!

 

[Darkwood]

I disagree.

When I was working I was qualified to and worked with BOTH electricity and gas in domestic & small commercial properties, and trust me on this: if I made a mistake on the electric side of things I could kill someone and / or set fire to a building, but if I got it wrong with gas, I could literally demolish a whole terrace and kill not only the occupants of those properties, but passers-by in the street outside.

Also to note electric faults usually have done the damage before been discovered but gas has an odour introduced to it that everyone knows... the casualty rate from gas explosions in domestic is miniscule compared to electrical deaths and injuries, the explosion risk gas has attached to and the sheer scale of damage it causes has meant the industry saw early safety reg's brought in but the only time a shake up of the electrical industry saw was when a MP lost his daughter due to out of zone cables in the kitchen which killed her..... its not what you know its who you know and welcome the highly flawed Part P that was thus introduced.

 

[Geordie Spark]

Also to note electric faults usually have done the damage before been discovered but gas has an odour introduced to it that everyone knows... the casualty rate from gas explosions in domestic is miniscule compared to electrical deaths and injuries, the explosion risk gas has attached to and the sheer scale of damage it causes has meant the industry saw early safety reg's brought in but the only time a shake up of the electrical industry saw was when a MP lost his daughter due to out of zone cables in the kitchen which killed her..... its not what you know its who you know and welcome the highly flawed Part P that was thus introduced.

I can make a bigger bang than you can .. so there !! nernernenerner rrr:


:wink_smile:

 

[trev]

There needs to be tv/radio adverts like they do for Corgi (gas) to make sure customers ask for a Part P certified spark. Ohhhh the dangers are equal to (if not worse) than gas

When was the last time you saw a TV ad for Corgi/Gassafe? I've never seen one.
I've seen lots from BG pushing their "services" but never one from Corgi/Gassafe

 

[stef]

Why this has beed branded as part P is beyond me. Should have been Electrical Safety Certificationd at Home or something like that. Majority of the public doesn't know what a building regulation is, not to mention a part P. Electricla Safety sounds more dramatic, bit like Gas Safety.

 

[Engineer54]

I am a plumber and to be honest you sparky's need 1 governing body instead of the several different ones, it is so hard to look up each electrician, then you could all be governed and promoted by that company

The the very last thing you want to govern the Electrical Industry, is a another ''Private Company''. It needs to be at the very least a sudo government affair with Real Teeth, and with Real minimum Standards. All private company enterprises will only operate on a maximum profit for minimum input/outgoings...

 

[mountainman]

When was the last time you saw a TV ad for Corgi/Gassafe? I've never seen one.
I've seen lots from BG pushing their "services" but never one from Corgi/Gassafe

Did you know that this week is 'Gas Safety Week' and is being promoted nationally by Gas Safe?

I thought not!

 

[Guitarist]

At least gas safety gets a mention on Watchdog.

 

[sparks1973]

At least gas safety gets a mention on Watchdog.

well...part P has had a mention on the Dominic Littlewood show...