JIB Electrotechnical Certification Scheme (ECS) JIB grading

[daiplayer]

Hiya all

im sorry for posting this as i know its been done to death....
but could somebody shed some light onto what i may be graded as ? ( JIB)

Quals are -

• City and guilds 2330 - lvl2
• City and guilds 2330-lvl3
• C&G 2382 - 17TH edition regs
• C&G 2391-10 - Inspection and testing
• NAPIT fully approved

Thanks in advance .

 

[daiplayer]

sorry all....just spoke to ecs , but if anybody is interested

- not directly employed = electrical labourer's card
-directly employed = electrical trainee
- NVQ Lv3 = electrical instllation electricain ( gold card )

 

[Johnuk]

well it good when you answer your own question lol

 

[daiplayer]

Yup , lol

 

[KAS1]

Are you trading as a self-employed electrician, if so are JIB saying they will only grade you as a labourer ?

 

[james_t87]

You should be an approved electrician with this quals

 

[KAS1]

Wouldn't he have to hold the electrician's card for at least 2 years before he would get an approved card?

 

[Guest55]

Wouldn't he have to hold the electrician's card for at least 2 years before he would get an approved card?

correct.
;-)

 

[KAS1]

I might also be correct in stating that once you have a JIB grade you have it for life ie out of the trade a few years contact the JIB and get your previous grade card issued.

 

[baldsparkies]

Dont mention NAPIT, you'll just get a labourers card. lol.

Seriously though.
When doing commercial work.
Facilities managers have wised up a lot.
They are more likely to ask to see a gold approved electrician card than be interested in if your company is registered with NICEIC or anything else.
Also your public liability insurance, and H&S policy, is on there list.
Although we are NIC registered it seems that being with a scheme provider is not that high on there list of priorities.
It doesnt stop a young lad turning up to complete a job.
Your JIB card is therefore Gold in more ways than one.
We have found this on to many occasions to be concidence, so go get one.

Joe public, wont have a clue though.

 

[pennywise]

I might also be correct in stating that once you have a JIB grade you have it for life ie out of the trade a few years contact the JIB and get your previous grade card issued.

Mine expired in 2009 and they still have everything on record, I've just got to pay for a re issue. Though now I'm going for the approved level and contracts managers card. If you are self employed and registered with a scheme they put the branding of the NICEIC for example on the card to show you are a qualified superviser.

 

[james_t87]

Wouldn't he have to hold the electrician's card for at least 2 years before he would get an approved card?

Ah yes my mistake!

 

[KAS1]

So help me out here, if some with NICEIC qualified supervisor status applies to the JIB they'd probably get the grade of electrician with a qualified supervisor stamped on the card. If so does that work the other way for example would someone with a JIB Technician's grade get a qualified supervisor's rating if they decided to become self employed and join one of the scams ????

Mine expired in 2009 and they still have everything on record, I've just got to pay for a re issue. Though now I'm going for the approved level and contracts managers card. If you are self employed and registered with a scheme they put the branding of the NICEIC for example on the card to show you are a qualified supervisor.

 

[pennywise]

To have obtained the JIB tech card and the grading in the first place you would of had to have the correct quals which would have been checked by the JIB, so to apply to one of the schemes would just be a case of submitting those same quals again, they need to see them regardless. An NICEIC QS would still need to show proof of his Quals to the JIB if applying for his first gold card.

 

[elliot123]

Is a testing qual such as 2394 or 2395 required to obtain a jib card graded as electrician or will a nvq 3 be ok?

 

[pennywise]

Is a testing qual such as 2394 or 2395 required to obtain a jib card graded as electrician or will a nvq 3 be ok?

Only need the testing and inspection for grading as an approved electrician or technician grade. All the info is on there website under definitions.

 

[Guest55]

nvq l3 for standard electrician card
nvq l3 + 2391 or 2394 + 2395 for approved electrician card.

 

[KAS1]

Makes me laugh that those with as far as I can see the superior JIB card electrician, approved or indeed technician as opposed to these scam registrations cannot work in the domestic environment, doesn't make sense at all.

 

[darkstar26]

dont forget kas1, if youve got £500 and 17th you can do what you want!

 

[KAS1]

It's very worrying to think as you've said £500 + 17th and join a scam (even though the JIB would only give a labourers card at the best an electricians) work in people's homes etc JIB graded sparks work on single phase, three phase and a multitude of other types of installations and not even allowed to work in a house. Makes no sense at all.

dont forget kas1, if youve got £500 and 17th you can do what you want!

 

[GCGI]

You will also need the ECS qualification, and a testing qualification will be required if you want approved.

 

[yamar1]

It's very worrying to think as you've said £500 + 17th and join a scam (even though the JIB would only give a labourers card at the best an electricians) work in people's homes etc JIB graded sparks work on single phase, three phase and a multitude of other types of installations and not even allowed to work in a house. Makes no sense at all.

scary isnt it. i know who id rather have doing a domestic install. hopefully one day someone in the powers that be will have a brainwave and see the issue here.

back to the op, nvq3 for gold card nothing less these days im afraid, however you may have missed the boat for that as its changed and the new qual now incoparated with a mandotory AM2 as well.

 

[oldtimer]

I was issued with a red SJIB electricians card then got my green Approved card 2 years later always kept it updated and now it a gold holographic card with recognised apprenticship on it and flash it at every customer I can

 

[ian.settle1]

I was issued with a red SJIB electricians card then got my green Approved card 2 years later always kept it updated and now it a gold holographic card with recognised apprenticship on it and flash it at every customer I can

Pervert:wink_smile:

 

[thomas-1981]

Just NVQ/SVQLevel 3

 

[KAS1]

Yeah I always keep mine up to date ,I think they're all the same colour now, mines gold Installation Technician and like you holographic card with recognised apprenticeship I wonder what the percentage there is that has apprenticeship mentioned on them? >

I was issued with a red SJIB electricians card then got my green Approved card 2 years later always kept it updated and now it a gold holographic card with recognised apprenticship on it and flash it at every customer I can

 

[chrish_1977]

I have all the same quals as the op, but jib graded me as a level 2 trainee. Never bothered to get it upgraded and I like to give people's laugh when they ask if I have a jib card hahahahaha

 

[Floody]

I seen on their site a few days ago you need your AM2 aswell?

Edit: apologies, it says if you DONT have your NVQ, they would consider you if you had your AM2 and another thing.

Here it is from the horses mouth;

[h=2]1.2 Approved Electrician[/h]Qualification and Training
Must satisfy the following four conditions:
(1) Must have been a registered Apprentice or undergone some equivalent method of training and have had practical training in electrical installation work.
(2) Must have obtained an NVQ Level 3 in electrical installation work (or approved equivalent) - See Note 1.
(3) Must have had two years' experience working as an Electrician subsequent to the satisfactory completion of training and immediately prior to the application for this grade.
(4) Must have demonstrated competence and obtained a suitable qualification (the City & Guilds 2391 or the EAL Level 3 Diploma in Inspecting and Testing Electrotechnical Systems and Equipement (500/3542/3) are suitable qualifications) in the inspection, testing and commissioning of installations - see Note 2.
Note 1: If the applicant meets the other three criteria but has not achieved an NVQ Level 3 in electrical installation, then a "Provisional" grading may be awarded if the following criteria are both satisfied:
(a) have obtained at least the City & Guilds 2360 Electrical Installation Theory Part 2 Course Certificate or EAL Diploma in Electrotechnical Services (500/3526/5 (Or approved equivelent).
(b) have obtained Achievement Measurement 2 or must be able, with the application for Grading and any other relevant supporting evidence (i.e. the City & Guilds Electricians Certificate) which may be required, to satisfy the Grading Committee of his experience and suitability.

 

[shagbite]

Only need the testing and inspection for grading as an approved electrician or technician grade. All the info is on there website under definitions.

for the tech' grade you'll also need part c / 2400 / 2391-20 / 2396.

 

[Guest55]

i'll translate...

if you did your 2360 + AM2 , you can get gold card without nvq l3.

 

[shagbite]

biff mate, did you get the results from your exam? it must be 8 weeks by now.

.......and how's the project going?

 

[Guest55]

biff mate, did you get the results from your exam? it must be 8 weeks by now.

.......and how's the project going?

passed exam , project finished but awaiting marking , thanks for asking pal
still think the course was a bit pants ;-)

 

[shagbite]

that's great biff; glad to hear it. you can't really fail now - if there's any discrepancies with your project, you should get the opportunity to correct them before it gets sent off to city and guilds. well done mate.

i hear what you're saying about the course. my time in the classroom was spent going over old 2391-20 papers. it just seems like you're being taught how to pass an exam, rather than learning the subject matter.

 

[Guest55]

that , is exactly right !
50% of course was regs and testing proceedure , a total yawnfest lol.

 

[pennywise]

for the tech' grade you'll also need part c / 2400 / 2391-20 / 2396.

Very true my mistake . Need to get my 2400 cert soon, though as I'm self employed its not going to affect my paygrade

 

[Guest55]

Need to get my 2400 cert soon

you'll need a time machine , it ended 4 years ago lol.

 

[pennywise]

you'll need a time machine , it ended 4 years ago lol.

I know I was dofting my hat to the old standard C cert , I quoted the 2391 to the Jib today and he had to check whether it was a proper qual lol

 

[Guest55]

bet he came back and said yes ;-)

 

[pennywise]

bet he came back and said yes ;-)

He did indeed , can't stand dealing with the JIB the helpline they are so off hand!! you feel like an inconvenience.

 

[rmc86uk]

Labourer.