new part p document.... thoughts.

[fylthespider]

just read the new part p.
got link from napit.

anyone else read it?

main difference is the reduction in whats notifiable.

new circuits, CU changes, and work in bathrooms.
o yeah, and 'third party certification' (whatever the hell thats going to mean).

i know there was input from sparks and scam providers (i filled in 2 or 3 questionaires )
but IMO looks like they ignored me/us.

looks like anyone can now 'alter' work in kitchens, gardens, and god knows what else with impunity.

am i just being pessimistic or does this look like a serious watering down of part p?

cheers

 

[Robert Turnbull]

That last post makes more sense if you read the whole section. But does that mean if you show them your qualifications they'll let you test the job anyway?

Certification by a building control body
3.8 If an installer is not a registered competent person and has not appointed a registered third-party certifier, then before work begins the installer must notify a building control body.
3.9 The building control body will determine the extent of inspection and testing needed for it to establish that the work is safe, based on the nature of the electrical work and the competence
of the installer. The building control body may choose to carry out any necessary inspection and testing itself, or it may contract a specialist to carry out some or all of the work and furnish it with an electrical installation condition report.
3.10 An installer who is competent to carry out inspection and testing should give the appropriate
BS 7671 certificate to the building control body, who will then take the certificate and the installer’s qualifications into account in deciding what further action, if any, it needs to take. Building control bodies may ask installers for evidence of their qualifications.
3.11 This can result in a lower building control charge as, when setting its charge, a local authority is required by the Building (Local Authority Charges) Regulations 2010 to take account of the amount of inspection work that it considers it will need to carry out.
3.12 Once the building control body has decided that, as far as can be ascertained, the work meets all Building Regulations requirements, it will issue to the occupier a Building Regulations completion certificate (if a local authority) or a final certificate (if an approved inspector).

 

[SPARTYKUS]

That last post makes more sense if you read the whole section. But does that mean if you show them your qualifications they'll let you test the job anyway?

Certification by a building control body
3.8 If an installer is not a registered competent person and has not appointed a registered third-party certifier, then before work begins the installer must notify a building control body.
3.9 The building control body will determine the extent of inspection and testing needed for it to establish that the work is safe, based on the nature of the electrical work and the competence
of the installer. The building control body may choose to carry out any necessary inspection and testing itself, or it may contract a specialist to carry out some or all of the work and furnish it with an electrical installation condition report.
3.10 An installer who is competent to carry out inspection and testing should give the appropriate
BS 7671 certificate to the building control body, who will then take the certificate and the installer’s qualifications into account in deciding what further action, if any, it needs to take. Building control bodies may ask installers for evidence of their qualifications.
3.11 This can result in a lower building control charge as, when setting its charge, a local authority is required by the Building (Local Authority Charges) Regulations 2010 to take account of the amount of inspection work that it considers it will need to carry out.
3.12 Once the building control body has decided that, as far as can be ascertained, the work meets all Building Regulations requirements, it will issue to the occupier a Building Regulations completion certificate (if a local authority) or a final certificate (if an approved inspector).

now if I read that right, if you're a trained competent spark, you don't REPEAT DON't need to be in a scam.

thats what it says isnt it?

HAHAHAHHHHHHAHA

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Ps which isnt a problem for someone who knows what they are doing/is qualified...

 

[snowhead]

now if I read that right, if you're a trained competent spark, you don't REPEAT DON't need to be in a scam.

thats what it says isnt it?

HAHAHAHHHHHHAHA

Correct, but you do need to pay the LABC fees for each job, even tho' they MAY be reduced if they accept your qualifications are suitable.

3.11 This can result in a lower building control charge as, when setting its charge, a local authority is required by the Building (Local Authority Charges) Regulations 2010 to take account of the amount of inspection work that it considers it will need to carry out.

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[SPARTYKUS]

Thats no sticker for me on the van then.

- - - Updated - - -

D'you what, it might not be such a bad amendment after all!

 

[Robert Turnbull]

May call building control in the new year ad see what the fee's are.

The only thing is if it's still expensive joining a scam will save money you money over a year

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Their membership is going to drop!

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Remembering that the document is only in draft form.
It would appear that the only things that will require notification are:
New circuits.
New or replacement Consumer Units.
Work within a zone of a location containing a bath or shower.
Work within a room containing a swimming pool or sauna heater.

I don't quite understand why Part P still can't agree with BS7671 with what is considered a special location?

Actually, it appears that it's not a draft, this is the finalised version due out in April 2013.
AS such a job started today, that would require notification, would not require notification, if wasn't finised untill after the new document came into force.
Technically a job isn't finished untill the certification is issued.

 

[Robert Turnbull]

It says if the job is started before 6th April 2013 work to the old part p

 

[sima24]

So from now on kitchen fitters no longer need qualified sparks, even less work

 

[Octopus]

So from now on kitchen fitters no longer need qualified sparks, even less work

Who cares. Most of the idiotic kitchen fitters round my way do the work themselves and get their sparky pals to pass off the work as their own!

 

[Rob Smith 643]

With the reduction in work to be notified its no coincidence that scheme providers have launched there ElectricSafe and Electrical Safety registers, fearing a drop in membership have they attempted to make that membership more appealing? Too little, too late...