One to confuse you all!!

[axel132132]

Right then this has now happened to me twice.. and ive not a clue whats going on so if anyone has had the same issue it would be good to see what causing it.

Anyways SO i have a 2G2W light switch upstairs and a 2G2W light switch downstairs.. I Wire them both correct.. Up have Brown from 3-core in Common, then black in L1 and grey in L2 and Live in in L1 and Live out in L2.. that controls the lights on the stairs..

Then i do exactly the same with the upstairs lights. Feed in, feed out L1 + L2 etc.. ok all simple so far..

NOW COMES THE CONFUSING BIT..

The stair lights are working fine on the 2-way wikid..
The LED spotlights in the celing dont work.. OK

SO i swap the cables, basically swapping the switch.. NOW the LED spotlights work on the 2-way but the stair lights dont..

OK so maybe the switch is broke.. Change the switch (TWICE still dosent work)..

Umm maybe i have a strapper down or something.. Bell out the strappers.. BELL OUT FINE.. ok now WHAT the hell is going on here??????? Switch is fine, strappers fine and if i move the strappers from one switch to the other it works so this proves that the Live IN to switch and the Live to the light works an that all the lamps are working..

any ideas anyone?

cheers

 

[UNG]

May be he's switched jobs because this one didn't turn on for him or has he moved on from light duties to power away from this thread:teeth_smile::teeth_smile:

 

[Geordie Spark]

Didn't bother with school much either judging by the spelling and grammar!

Judging by his stroppy childish attitude I'd say he's still at school !!!

 

[VoltzElectrical]

axel, you need to come back and redeem yourself!

 

[infinity]

Yeah what was the problem? Don't take it too seriously its only a forum!

 

[axel132132]

Broken tester, the Common link brown of 3-core belled out fine with my tester.. But when i put pressure on anything with the probes it belled out fine.. I pressed one down on a wall and the other on my arm and it said it was a circuit

SO the issue wasnt as simple as all put out to be, cable belled out fine BUT due to testers being broken wasnt fine therefore that was the issue

Sorry for late reply been busy

 

[Silly Sausage]

Maybe you should read GS38, Section 3a part(ii)!

 

[Octopus]

Broken tester, the Common link brown of 3-core belled out fine with my tester.. But when i put pressure on anything with the probes it belled out fine.. I pressed one down on a wall and the other on my arm and it said it was a circuit

SO the issue wasnt as simple as all put out to be, cable belled out fine BUT due to testers being broken wasnt fine therefore that was the issue

Sorry for late reply been busy

Hum....

With 3 or 4 other sparkies on hand didn't you try another tester? to see what readings they got.

Not convinced, sorry mate

 

[electric will]

Not convinced either, load of rubbish in my opinion,
first year apprentice could have come up with a better lie.

 

[axel132132]

Its a brand spanking new fluke one

So there was no real thought going through our heads that it was going to be anything to do with the testers

Fluke T120 Voltage & Continuity Tester Brand New

 

[nikmet]

But surely if it was all connected correctly as you insisted, it would therefore be totally irrelevant wether the tester was working or not?? I'm more confused now than ever !! Lol

 

[axel132132]

Break in the cable meaning current cannot pass through it?

 

[MDJ]

Not convinced either, load of rubbish in my opinion,
first year apprentice could have come up with a better lie.

I hate bullying axel and hope you don't think I'm jumping on the band wagon fella, but 100% agree with will here, it really is school boy stuff, basically the fact 4 sparks looked at this seems ridiculous, I'm almost at a loss to be honest here, 2 way switching is very very simple and a meter wouldn't be needed IMO to solve this problem, I am not trying to bully you at all but come on lets have the truth here, please just tell us what really happened.

 

[axel132132]

no lie truth

 

[SYKRAPS]

And if it was a broken core how did it work in the other switch when you swapped them over????????????????

 

[MDJ]

well I hope none of the sparks who looked at this with you ever apply for a job at MDJ, god help us, fair enough then, if you say so fella.

 

[Octopus]

Bottom line is how long would it have taken to remove the line and switched line, replace them with 2 short tails and set your tester to R2 and check the continuity/switches out? - me thinks no more than 15 minutes

Belling out is no replacement for checking the R2 values - especially as you could check the switches and the cable with the same test.

 

[axel132132]

The only thing i can say was it was at 4:30pm when it was found and we leave at 4:00 and Dont get paid overtime.. So was all ready to leave anyway.

But like say wired so many of these, done much larger scale ones etc and never had a single issue so was bizarre to suddenly come across this with broken test leads.

You would be lucky to get someone like me HA >.>

 

[MDJ]

The only thing i can say was it was at 4:30pm when it was found and we leave at 4:00 and Dont get paid overtime.. So was all ready to leave anyway.

But like say wired so many of these, done much larger scale ones etc and never had a single issue so was bizarre to suddenly come across this with broken test leads.

You would be lucky to get someone like me HA >.>

As I mentioned I won't tolorate any bullying myself and therefore after your explanation whether I believe it or not now bow out of the thread, I still think it is ridiculous 4 sparks couldn't sort it out but won't mock you, all the very best axel, chin up.

 

[nikmet]

I'm confused how broken test leads were closed circuit, if lead damaged wouldn't it work correctly or be open circuit?? I can't see how it's possible for the damaged leads to show continuity, or have I missed something..... At least the thread title is 100% correct..one to confuse you all!! Lol

 

[ackbarthestar]

Its a brand spanking new fluke one

So there was no real thought going through our heads that it was going to be anything to do with the testers

Fluke T120 Voltage & Continuity Tester Brand New

Don't take any notice of these reprobates. They are still in Friday evening mode.......

Well done ! I had the same problem myself in the middle of an assessment. Just as well I had a spare set of leads... hint, hint and sloved the problem pdq without embarrassment I ripped them apart to find the earth lead had become disconnected.
I now have two sets of leads.....