Been asked to look at a farm where they require a 125A supply (increasing later), to supply a new dairy running single phase equipment. As far as I know there is no 3PH supply near by (and the existing cut-out is fitted with an 80A fuse), but after a chat with WPD they suggested 2 phases via a polyphase meter to provide the increased single phase supply. Has anybody come across this before?
 
By two phases are you referring to split-phase? This is really a single phase 460V supply with a centre-tap as neutral, to give two equally-rated supplies of 230V. As far as loads are concerned it is no different to single-phase except that you have to spread the loads across two supplies. It is no longer a common method of supply here, it was used in the past (and is standard in the USA at half the voltage i.e. 120-0-120 =240V between lines). Two fully rated lines and ideally a fully rated neutral are needed for the service cable, i.e. less copper than single-phase, but not a common config these days. Only single-phase HV supply needed at the sub.

If you are referring to two phases of a 3-phase supply I wonder how and why they would have this available, but not have the third phase? I suppose when you say there is no 3-phase nearby it depends whether that means no 3-phase HV or sub, or whether there is 3-phase LV available at the TX but the distributor / service cables are all single-phase. Two phases of a 3-phase supply are no more or less suitable than split-phase for multiple single-phase loads, except that the line-line voltage is 400 not 460V. A few larger single-phase devices such as welders can sometimes be switched to 400V to balance their load between the lines and reduce the final circuit current.
 
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After another conversation, it sounds like they are talking about running another single-phase supply. So there will 2x single phase supplies with 80A per supply. The plan is to install a three phase distribution board, but only utilising two of the phases. This is a new one in me, as most farms either have a three-phase supply, or cope with a single-phase supply.
 
If they are genuinely two separate supplies, I don't think it will be acceptable to interconnect them at a single board as they will not be able to isolate from their end. If it is another phase of the same supply but they are unwilling to make all three phases available, it suggests to me that they have an existing imbalance making transfer of load to that phase unacceptable, or are going to have to install more copper to get it to you.
 
As I understand it WPD have done this before on other farms. I'm not sure if they use 2 separate meters or one, but both the supply tails are isolated together via a three pole rotary isolator. I guess it's no different to having a three phase supply, and only using two phases for single phase equipment (apart from being unbalanced ).
 
both the supply tails are isolated together via a three pole rotary isolator
OK so as far as your installation is concerned it behaves as a single supply, even if it comes via more than one service cable. I was more referring to a situation where a new independent single phase supply was offered and the two were tied together (via the neutrals at least) only in the 3-phase DB without the involvement of the DNO.
 
Why would the neutrals have to be kept separate?
I was thinking more of the load , if the supply is not 2 different phases the load on the neutral will be greater with the 2 seperate single phase supplys (both being on the same phase) and if for example one of the supplys lost the neutral then would all the load be diverted down the other netraul ???
 
I was thinking more of the load , if the supply is not 2 different phases the load on the neutral will be greater with the 2 seperate single phase supplys (both being on the same phase) and if for example one of the supplys lost the neutral then would all the load be diverted down the other netraul ???

They won't give two supplies on the same same phase as a two phase supply, they will give that as a single phase supply.


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OK so as far as your installation is concerned it behaves as a single supply, even if it comes via more than one service cable. I was more referring to a situation where a new independent single phase supply was offered and the two were tied together (via the neutrals at least) only in the 3-phase DB without the involvement of the DNO.

The village hall in my home village has a similar setup where two separate CNE cables come on from two phases of the overhead PME.
(One for the hall in general and one just for the am-drams stage LX plus 2x water heaters)
There are two separate cutouts but both supplies go via a polyphase meter, and then use only one of the CNE neutrals if I remember correctly.


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