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:smiley2:.....@ Glenn
Sorry should have been clearer. Annual or change of tenancy, whichever is soonest. This allows for 6 month contracts.
And yes, my self devised reports contain Zs values.
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:smiley2:.....@ Glenn
Sorry should have been clearer. Annual or change of tenancy, whichever is soonest. This allows for 6 month contracts.
And yes, my self devised reports contain Zs values.
problem here bald...Guys this is a report in between the 5 year EICR's and on change of tennancy.
Its NOT a substitute for an EICR and we all know that.
The point is they ARE being completed by sparkies in between A full EICR and due to the lesser work for less money. But money never the less.
If you look at the link and read the reports there are disclaimers to the affect that they are visual only.
I suppose they are saying a full EICR isnt due, but due to change of tennancy and as a duty of care. They want a visual check conducted by professionals, rather than nothing at all.
Unless these certs are totally outlawed, and whilst the customer has a choice, they will go for this option.
Otherwise in theory, a new tennant could move in every year, and over 5 years you would be looking at 5 EICR's for the same install.
You may as well say the EICR lasts 5 years so wait until the next one falls due.
Or have a visual done in the interim.
Thats the point. Is there a place for these interim certs or not.
And NO we arent talking about a substitute for the EICR.
Like I said people are making money out of these things, but is there a place for them if used as intended. ???
at least you have made a box for values to be put in...@ Glenn
Sorry should have been clearer. Annual or change of tenancy, whichever is soonest. This allows for 6 month contracts.
And yes, my self devised reports contain Zs values.
still only covers the bits you see....Totally agree with the above. The landlord cert (visual) check is a total waste of time unless its done as a yearly check/update between full EICR's.
You may as well say the EICR lasts 5 years so wait until the next one falls due Or have a visual done in the interim.
Badged,
Thats a very good sermon mate, Saturday or any other day.
I think you have nailed it.
The company involved has a lot of properties so a lot of tests.
Approved contractors are currently covering this work, and doing so with NICEIC official Visual Inspection Reports.
You can see them on any google search, and it amazes me that they even say, on those NICEIC forms.
This is an important safety document and should be retained for future reference blah,blah,blah. It also refers to VISUALLY satisfactory and VISUALLY unsatisfactory.
I kid you not, just have a look.
Considering ELECSIA and the NIC have recently joined together at the hip, and the amount of rhetoric that comes from that corner about safety, due diligence, and good electrical practice.
You have to wonder why the hell these things ever came to exist, and what they are allowing the landlords ect to get away with.
At the same time, sparkies could be using an official document, from a recognised governing body that has all the makings of dropping you right in the poo poo.
That why I am trying to get to the bottom of what these visuals are really all about.
Because rest assured there are guys making money out of these things
I wish I had asked the NICEIC if the these visuals are still available to improved contractors. I simply asked if there shop was still selling Domestic visual Inspection reports.
The girl said no.
I said why not ?
She passed me to technical (obviously she didnt know)
Technical said, because they have been open to abuse, and are not to be used to replace an EICR.
I KNOW THAT common sense prevail. But then what ARE they to be used for, WHY do or did the NIC produce them in the first place. And are they still available to approved contractors, or are those contractors just using up the ones they still have??
I appreciate all your replies, but I am going to ring the NIC again on monday and get this cleared up.
Makes me mad, that a governing body would produce official certificate that leaves its members totally vulnerable should the poo hit the fan.
And from what I can see just drop those certificates at the blink of an eye, with no warning or official statement of any kind, just because they have had a change of heart, and to cover themselves.
The technical guy was slagging the things as having no proper place in the professional electricians world. But hang on old chap, the organisation you work for has been selling the bl**dy things for years. !!!!
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