Where to train and what do I need?????

[John79]

Hello,

Please help I am looking to re-train to become a electian but do not no where to get my training and what traning I need to do. I understand that I need C&G 2330 lv2 and lv3 to start and then C&G 2356 NVQ lv3. OLCI offer this @ £5858.85 but when questioning them about signing of your own work thay started getting confused and wasnt sure at what point I could do this. The way I undersatnd it you need to do your EAL lv2 part P to sign your own work off? (this is not part of the course thay offer).Thay also told me that your C&G 2330 meant you didnt need to do your 17th edition IEE,C&G 2392 and C&G 2377 as this was all part of the 2330 and over rid these? It appears for the money you get a few days in the center and the rest sat at home reading and dont even end up with all you need to install and sign of your own work.

I have also been looking at Able Skills in Dartford. There Training for JIB Gold card course @ £8595 where it appears that you do all your training at there facility. This course includes your C&G 2330 lv2 and lv3 with C&G 2382-2377-2393-2392-2391-AM2 and C&G 2357. Now that is alot more than OLCI claim you need but at a bigger price aswell. I am happy to pay more money for the RIGHT course but is this it?

I am also intrested to no at what point can I start doing and signing of my own work as I need to pay for whatever course I am doing. Am I correct in saying that when I have done my C&G 2330 lv2 and C&G 2393?

As I said please help either if you have used either of the training centers or no of any better ones in Essex or could shed some light on what a fully quilified electrian is and what I need to start working with or for someone?

Many thanks

John

 

[Des 56]

You will get plenty of advise and no doubt abuse for your questions
I will give you none of either,other than tell you what the course will not provide

Without this provision,employment as an electrician will be extra diifficult when competing with armies of electricians who are without work and also possess that item


That item is practical on site experience
If you search this forum,your questions are answered on many threads

 

[John79]

Thank you for your concern but I do not plan to be employed by anyone but myself and I am lucky that I have family who own a property managment company (mainly industrial) and have lots of freinds in the building trade aswell. I also live in the south east so benifit from a densly populated area. I also plan to do solar pv wich will broaden my working ability.

If you have any helpful advise I would be grateful.

Many thanks

 

[rmc86uk]

You may want to concentrate your spelling in your posts as you want to become an electrician not an electian!

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[John79]

This is also very helpful?

Thank you

 

[telectrix]

you would be far better doing the 2330 at a local college. evening course, far, far less money to shell out, better training with some practical work included. you can perhaps help out a local sparks part time for hands-on experience. and you will have to do the 17th on top. as for part pee, there is no such thing as a " part p qualification" . you have to join napit or elecsa to notify your own work. i would do 2330 2 & 3, then see if the rules regarding the part p nonsense have changed by that time.

i forgot the other scam provider, niceic.!

 

[John79]

you would be far better doing the 2330 at a local college. evening course, far, far less money to shell out, better training with some practical work included. you can perhaps help out a local sparks part time for hands-on experience. and you will have to do the 17th on top. as for part pee, there is no such thing as a " part p qualification" . you have to join napit or elecsa to notify your own work. i would do 2330 2 & 3, then see if the rules regarding the part p nonsense have changed by that time.

i forgot the other scam provider, niceic.!

The 2 issues with this is

1. I need a GSCE C or above in maths to enrole

2. It takes 2 years

The money is not the problem aslong as I achieve the goal. I really just need to no if either of these training courses are any good and at what point can I start working and signing of my own work?

 

[RWJ]

I've glad you have got the money

£5859 !!

£8595!!!!

Blimey you should train to be come a brief, chucking that sort of money at it!!! They earn £150 per hour which is 10 - 15 times more than YOU'LL EVER get in this game.

NO POT AT THE END OF THE RAINBOW I'm Afraid!

 

[John79]

I've glad you have got the money

£5859 !!

£8595!!!!

Blimey you should train to be come a brief, chucking that sort of money at it!!! They earn £150 per hour which is 10 - 15 times more than YOU'LL EVER get in this game.

NO POT AT THE END OF THE RAINBOW I'm Afraid!

I posted on this forum to get advice in to re-training into becoming a electrian. To find out what I need regards C&G and whereto get the best training at the best price?

How I plan to pay for, where I will get work from is my buisness and no one elses.

Please only post if you have helpful information regards OCLI or Able Skills or at what point and what you need to complete and sign of your own work.

I didnt post here to get seems like personal attacks!!!

Thank you

 

[RWJ]

Please only post if you have helpful information regards OCLI or Able Skills or at what point and what you need to complete and sign of your own work.

I didnt post here to get seems like personal attacks!!!

Thank you

Sorry

DIDN'T REALISE YOU WERE A MOD!!!


And I thought that offering an opinion about you paying 2 - 3 times the amount colleges charge WAS A VALID POST!

I'm also entitled to my opinion.... WHICH I'll continue to express!!! I suggest you take it up with a mod or admin if you don't like it!

 

[John79]

Sorry

DIDN'T REALISE YOU WERE A MOD!!!


And I thought that offering an opinion about you paying 2 - 3 times the amount colleges charge WAS A VALID POST!

I'm also entitled to my opinion.... WHICH I'll continue to express!!! I suggest you take it up with a mod or admin if you don't like it!

Thats not a opinion that you offered? it was telectrix and I do not wish to train for years at the college. If there was a faster learning available it would be the best choice I agree.

 

[telectrix]

you don't need a maths gcse for college. you can take an aptitude test ( basic english and simple maths etc. ) to enable you to enrol. the fast track courses are better suited to somebody with practical experience who needs the paper qualifications. you haven't said how old you are, but if you are under 25, 2 years is nothing.

 

[Lee89]

I enrolled at Preston college last September, without a Maths GCSE.

I am currently studying C&G 2330 level 2. C&G haven't made there minds up yet if they are going to continue our course onto level 3.

So be careful if choosing the college route, as nothing seems clear at the moment.

 

[RWJ]

You are always better of going to college...... but

I respect you for doing the research and NOT choosing the 5day route that some get sold as the "easy way

I do know that our forum Sponsor TRADESKILLS4U offer the 2330 in less than three months. £6500 all in and might offer some discount to forum members (don't quote me on that!)

 

[John79]

you don't need a maths gcse for college. you can take an aptitude test ( basic english and simple maths etc. ) to enable you to enrol. the fast track courses are better suited to somebody with practical experience who needs the paper qualifications. you haven't said how old you are, but if you are under 25, 2 years is nothing.

Thank you for being the only person who offers sensiable advice. I am 32 with a wife and 3 children and I can not wait 2 years. Able skills offer C&G 2330 lv2 being the first part of there course in 8 weeks and advise you to take employment after this point to gain experinace before achieving the next quilifications.

I would like to no if anyone in the last year has gained C&G with any training group in the south east and what there experiance's where.

 

[RWJ]

Thank you for being the only person who offers sensiable advice.

Never sensiable me!!!

lololololo

 

[telectrix]

well, here's a bit more sensible advice. get a spell checker.

 

[Des 56]

Posted by me
You will get plenty of advise and no doubt abuse for your questions
I will give you none of either,other than tell you what the course will not provide

Without this provision,employment as an electrician will be extra diifficult when competing with armies of electricians who are without work and also possess that item


That item is practical on site experience
If you search this forum,your questions are answered on many threads

Thank you for your concern but I do not plan to be employed by anyone but myself and I am lucky that I have family who own a property managment company (mainly industrial) and have lots of freinds in the building trade aswell. I also live in the south east so benifit from a densly populated area. I also plan to do solar pv wich will broaden my working ability.

If you have any helpful advise I would be grateful.

Many thanks

Its a shame you read the post without understanding the context,anyway,its repeated above because like it or not,your training course will not get you the on site experience that is essential

That is unlesss of course you intend using the general public and their installations for your necessary practical experience, that will certainly not be sufficient at the course completion

If however you do,my thoughts and sympathy will be given to those recievers of your inexperienced efforts

Also with your dismissive attitude to me and other electricians (who have experience) and actually understand the trade and the shortcomings that will beset you, with your lack of on site experience,maybe when your course is complete, and you return to this forum asking help of those same members,perhaps your overconfident attitude to the complexity of the job will mellow

 

[malcolmsanford]

Thank you for your concern but I do not plan to be employed by anyone but myself and I am lucky that I have family who own a property managment company (mainly industrial) and have lots of freinds in the building trade aswell. I also live in the south east so benifit from a densly populated area. I also plan to do solar pv wich will broaden my working ability.

If you have any helpful advise I would be grateful.



Many thanks

As you seem to have already an intended market sorted out I would recommend you do a 5 week course that will enable you to become a domestic installer, I believe that it is far cheaper than the 8k course.

Once you have completed the course you can then sign up for your chosen scheme, obtaining admittance to a scheme will not be that difficult as the main criteria for them is money and your capability to inhale and exhale.

 

[millwall ken]

Hello,

Please help I am looking to re-train to become a electian but do not no where to get my training and what traning I need to do. I understand that I need C&G 2330 lv2 and lv3 to start and then C&G 2356 NVQ lv3. OLCI offer this @ £5858.85 but when questioning them about signing of your own work thay started getting confused and wasnt sure at what point I could do this. The way I undersatnd it you need to do your EAL lv2 part P to sign your own work off? (this is not part of the course thay offer).Thay also told me that your C&G 2330 meant you didnt need to do your 17th edition IEE,C&G 2392 and C&G 2377 as this was all part of the 2330 and over rid these? It appears for the money you get a few days in the center and the rest sat at home reading and dont even end up with all you need to install and sign of your own work.

I have also been looking at Able Skills in Dartford. There Training for JIB Gold card course @ £8595 where it appears that you do all your training at there facility. This course includes your C&G 2330 lv2 and lv3 with C&G 2382-2377-2393-2392-2391-AM2 and C&G 2357. Now that is alot more than OLCI claim you need but at a bigger price aswell. I am happy to pay more money for the RIGHT course but is this it?

I am also intrested to no at what point can I start doing and signing of my own work as I need to pay for whatever course I am doing. Am I correct in saying that when I have done my C&G 2330 lv2 and C&G 2393?

As I said please help either if you have used either of the training centers or no of any better ones in Essex or could shed some light on what a fully quilified electrian is and what I need to start working with or for someone?

Many thanks

John

Can't you just do it the old fashioned way and go to NIGHT SCHOOL? If you have a spare 5k to waste, send it to me and I'll train you.

 

[millwall ken]

Posted by me
You will get plenty of advise and no doubt abuse for your questions
I will give you none of either,other than tell you what the course will not provide

Without this provision,employment as an electrician will be extra diifficult when competing with armies of electricians who are without work and also possess that item


That item is practical on site experience
If you search this forum,your questions are answered on many threads





Its a shame you read the post without understanding the context,anyway,its repeated above because like it or not,your training course will not get you the on site experience that is essential

That is unlesss of course you intend using the general public and their installations for your necessary practical experience, that will certainly not be sufficient at the course completion

If however you do,my thoughts and sympathy will be given to those recievers of your inexperienced efforts

Also with your dismissive attitude to me and other electricians (who have experience) and actually understand the trade and the shortcomings that will beset you, with your lack of on site experience,maybe when your course is complete, and you return to this forum asking help of those same members,perhaps your overconfident attitude to the complexity of the job will mellow

Another know all, know f*** all mate.

 

[millwall ken]

Thank you for being the only person who offers sensiable advice. I am 32 with a wife and 3 children and I can not wait 2 years.

I want it now... Where have I heard that before? I know my 2 yr old son.

 

[sbrown2]

I haven't read all posts but if you've got good contacts get to QS level before January 2012. That shouldn't be difficult with your contacts. Your contacts will then get you the experience you need. You can then continue your training but look for the most cost effective solutions.

 

[Harry Worth]

Hi John,

I'm at Able Skills at present doing an electrical course. Can't contrast with the other providers since this is my first electrical course. Able work very hard to get you through the courses. Able make you do lots of live testing even on the Level 2 which is not always the case with some providers (according to a mate of mine that's gone through another training provider) Some of the lecturers have worked in the local FE colleges. They prefer working at Able since the students, having parted with shed loads of money are very keen to learn and don't tend to waste their time. I simply didn't have the time to spend several years in college doing the qualifications. Able have military approval for retraining so there is quite a contingent of ex Army, RAF people there too. As people here are saying though - getting experience in the real world is the problem. As I understand it - I am at the point where I can register with Napit or Elecsa. I have completed the 17th Edition C&G, Part P C&G plus the 2330 L2 (and PAT testing). With Napit you have to gain the 2391 within 18 months. I'm hoping to get out with experienced 'Sparks' to gain the on site experience. I'd bone up on your maths a bit - There is a reasonable amount of Algebra etc within the course. yes - Not cheap, but neither's going to University these days.

Hope that's of some help

Harry