NICEIC Certification Scheme Will niceic fail you for

[p11jor]

Will niceic fail you if your two examples to be assessed have been third party tested by a napit member?

 

[flukey]

surely they will want you to have tested it if your using it for your assessment???

 

[p11jor]

Yes it would be tested by myself also......I just mean so the job is notified, do they mind which way it has been notified?

 

[Deleted member 9648]

If the napit guy didnt carry out the work he shouldnt be certing it.......how are you going to prove you carried out the work if someone else has certed it?

 

[p11jor]

Getting the BCO in they test the work for you also though.......

 

[flukey]

Getting the BCO in they test the work for you also though.......

that is completely different.
bco will be there to prove your work is up to scratch.
you are trying to prove to an assessor that YOUR work is up to scratch so it needs to be your job and your name on the cert

 

[dim_bulb]

You test it and write the results down yourself. forget the napit guy altogether and just sign it off after you have had your inspection with niceic.
make it simple for yourself mate.

 

[p11jor]

Cheers dim_bulb. Main worry is though if I do that then he asked me if it has been signed off by part p and it hasn't what would my come back to that be?

 

[dim_bulb]

you sign it off after registration with niceic.

I paid £235 for lbo to sign off my work prior and when i had my assessment he said you could have done it with the niceic. this was domestic installer tho. only had mine a week ago.

 

[p11jor]

Thanks! That's what I am going for domestic installer, 9th June. What sort of examples did you show him? I was advised two major jobs but I have heard on here of some people showing say a c/u change with a new circuit then a minor works I.e moving a socket...?

 

[dim_bulb]

go on the search bar for: passed my assesment by dim_bulb Ive written it all out there.

major and minor
i.e c.u change and adding socket.

 

[RWJ]

I know one guy... quite a good DI infact.
Used the same shower install in his Mum's house on 4 different assessments!!.
He either went from Elecsa to NIC or vice versa and didn't have the same assessor one than once. He's probably still using it for his assessments!!!!

 

[flukey]

Thanks! That's what I am going for domestic installer, 9th June. What sort of examples did you show him? I was advised two major jobs but I have heard on here of some people showing say a c/u change with a new circuit then a minor works I.e moving a socket...?

you should have had a confirmation pack that tells you exactly what they are expecting to see. thought you had to give them 2 addresses prior to first visit also??

if you get a jobsworth he will expect you to have gone down the correct route with your jobs, notifying labc before work starts and getting the correct building notices in place.
another spark cant put his name on the job as it would then become his job and not yours.
i also know of people that have notified their jobs after passing the assessment so make sure youve got another time from the date on cert to notify within 25 days.

 

[p11jor]

I did notify them of the addresses but I can't use them now as the housing group we contracted for went bust and repossessed etc so just going to use whatever I have over the next four weeks as I have up untill 48 hours prior to the assessment to change.

I think I am just going to do the cert myself then! And hope I get reasonable assessor, if I complete the job say a week before my assessment then I will well be in the 25 days by the time they set me up etc.

Thanks guys

2 weeks ago I was paying £560 for two BCO visits
Last week was paying £150 for two certs from a napit member
Now I ain't paying nought! Cheers!!

 

[flukey]

good luck with the assesment.
lets hope you dont get the jobsworth

 

[dim_bulb]

good luck im sure youll do fine

 

[p11jor]

Cheers guys, nerves do get better of me!

 

[nikmet]

Cheers guys, nerves do get better of me!

Dont worry mate, remeber SAFE ISOLATION and you will be fine

 

[ringer]

I have heard from a Napit member that he can now certify other people's work, but have not tested this out and have not got any confirmation apart from his word - I do trust him though, he's a mate.

 

[RWJ]

I have heard from a Napit member that he can now certify other people's work, but have not tested this out and have not got any confirmation apart from his word - I do trust him though, he's a mate.

I thought that was an optional extra you had to pay NAPIT for?? and is only if the LBC allows?

 

[hasel5]

Best of luck with your part p assessment the guys are normally helpful and want you as client rather than not so be confident and sure you will pass

Done mine 4 years ago and it was a breeze mind you did have 8 new builds to show him

 

[Electricalserv]

If the napit guy didnt carry out the work he shouldnt be certing it.......how are you going to prove you carried out the work if someone else has certed it?

If he's full scope and he supervised the work....without laying his hands on a drill or cable he can sign the work off. This happens everyday in virtually every company. Trainees do the practical boss's sign off work. For that reason Part P is not worth the paper its written on.

As for the question I am not sure. You would have to prove that it was only overlooked by the QS....

 

[p11jor]

Thanks alot, going to spend a couple of quid, get a proving unit, aload of lock outs, warning signs etc and just over emphasise saftey! Probs my downfall when testing rushing round to get the testing done, fingers crossed not long from now!

 

[nikmet]

dont forget in your rush to zero your test leads

 

[p11jor]

Done that before at the worst time.....2392 practical.....lucky enough assesor saw me shaking told me to calm down and allowed a restart..!

 

[p11jor]

After speaking to my mate who is a napit member he has just told me one of his houses needs rewiring before the new tenants move in september, he said he is quite busy in work so I offered to rewire it for £500 plus materials......this I think will be a great way of not getting the BCO in, I rewire it, I fill out the cert, the assessor kicks off that the BCO have not inspected it, I inform him the owner of the property is a spark who is registered with napit who allow third party testing so mo matter what this house will be signed off!

 

[SMB]

Thanks alot, going to spend a couple of quid, get a proving unit, aload of lock outs, warning signs etc and just over emphasise saftey! Probs my downfall when testing rushing round to get the testing done, fingers crossed not long from now!

Thats a good idea. When you spend your money why not spend it with one of the forum sponsers?

 

[p11jor]

I will certainly have a look and see what they do!

 

[ringer]

... so I offered to rewire it for £500 plus materials......

How many hours do you think you will need to put in to rewire a whole house on your own? I suggest that you have a rethink and up your price, even if he is a mate.

 

[p11jor]

Usually takes me a week to ten days, the house is about ten minute drive from where I live, and in tge circumstances the "£500" is just a token gesture......I have rewired house recently for a mate for a few bottles of tuborg, I like electrical work and it's not about the money with me!

 

[Goody]

Usually takes me a week to ten days, the house is about ten minute drive from where I live, and in tge circumstances the "£500" is just a token gesture......I have rewired house recently for a mate for a few bottles of tuborg, I like electrical work and it's not about the money with me!

I am sure money doesn't matter to you at this point and you only need some hands on experience.

In Essex, they charge a minimun of £2500 for a 3 bedroom rewire including standard matrials and 7 or 8 days labour.

 

[p11jor]

Yer that's what we charge in Liverpool that includes my partner who is a plasterer to follow me round making good, and joinery work to I.e boxing in etc, we usually just go for it, long days quick breaks, have it done in 5 days

 

[Engineer54]

Will niceic fail you if your two examples to be assessed have been third party tested by a napit member?

I think it is highly unlikely that anyone gets failed by these scam providers, if you have all the necessary documentation and stuff in place. It's your annual fee and all the other fee's involved that there really after !!! I reckon you'd have to be pretty dammed bad to fail....lol!!!

 

[flukey]

I like electrical work and it's not about the money with me!

i like electrical work too, but its all about paying my bills with me

 

[p11jor]

Were quite lucky in doing general maintenance on student housing so we only do bits so finished for 2/3 each day so any work like this is done in the evenings!

 

[morph]

Usually takes me a week to ten days, the house is about ten minute drive from where I live, and in tge circumstances the "£500" is just a token gesture......I have rewired house recently for a mate for a few bottles of tuborg, I like electrical work and it's not about the money with me!

tuborg ??

 

[p11jor]

Yer You never had it!?

 

[Electricalserv]

You could bash the 3 bed semi's in 4 days if all the furniture was out the way....Thats the major problem with inhabiteD rewires.

 

[p11jor]

To be honest I have never rewired a house that is occupied so I have had it easy.....we do alot of insurance work like fires so tge site is a clear run for us,